1. So in what case do you think people fall into the category of heretics regarding whom one neither raises them up nor lowers them down?

And how do you know whether he believes that this information is binding? He can always say he doesn’t believe, so they won’t kill him.
I also have never seen any distinction between someone who believes and someone who doesn’t.

Yishai,
in no case that I can imagine. Only if there is a person who denies out of desire, even though it is clear to him that he himself is wrong, would there be room to talk about it. I don’t see how such a thing could be diagnosed.

A,
if we don’t know, then we should not act. There are assessments that are not connected to what he himself says. How do we know that a convert intends to keep the commandments? He can always say that this is his intention.
Of course you’ve seen it. Here.

To A — greetings,

after our rabbi taught us that specifically in the case of a believer there is a law of “one lowers him down and does not raise him up,” since he is a “hidden heretic” — because if he were to hear the arguments for heresy he would be persuaded — all that remains for us is to clarify who exactly this believer is whom we were commanded to kill.

Now the author of HaMaor gave us, in the chapter Kira, a clear rule for distinguishing who is a believer, saying: “He eats hot stew and grows fat — he is the believer.” But in my humble opinion, after Rabbi Isaac Abarbanel’s commentary on the Torah was published, and it became common for a person to go up to bed after the cholent with the Abarbanel and fall asleep in the middle of the questions without reaching the answers — we are back to a situation in which even one who eats hot stew and grows fat is not a believer, and therefore the law of “one lowers him down and does not raise him up” does not apply to him either.

Therefore, in my humble opinion, there is no need nowadays to kill anyone, and with regard to everyone we should fulfill: “all of you are alive today” 🙂

And in the merit of the three patriarchs, may we be saved from all the “Avot,” and merit to fulfill the teachings of Avot, and have abundant joy, from the officers of the thought police

With blessings, Shin Tzin Lin

Yishai, hello.
The question is being asked as though practically speaking, and it seems you really want to eradicate evil from the world.
First, the Jewish law of “one lowers them down but does not raise them up,” or “not lower and not raise,” is not practiced nowadays!! So in any case we would not kill a secular person or someone who used to be religious, even if they are not captured infants. See Hazon Ish, Yoreh De’ah 2:16.
Second, see Maimonides, Laws of Rebels 3:2-3. There the exception is explained for someone whose parents raised him in a mistaken path.
It is possible that in our generation, with its difficult trials, even someone who used to be religious and a Haredi who dropped out were raised on a mistaken path. That would have been very difficult to say in the past, when the indwelling of the Divine Presence and providence were plainly evident to all, as in the words of the Hazon Ish mentioned above.

I never planned to go murder a secular person or someone who used to be religious. I just feel that in practice people cancel Jewish law with all sorts of strained excuses, or by claiming that Jewish law is primitive. Rabbi Michael Abraham actually gave a strong answer here, not an apologetic one.

Indeed.
But according to the site owner’s words, you can see that there is almost no case in which even in the past it would have been possible to carry out the Jewish law you mentioned.
If you look at Hazon Ish, I think things will sit better.

How can a person deny out of desire? Denial is lack of belief.

People are complicated creatures. It definitely can happen.