Q&A: Are Jews Really at the Same Moral Level as Everyone Else?
Are Jews Really at the Same Moral Level as Everyone Else?
Question
Below is a partial list of shooting incidents in the U.S., just from the past few weeks/months. Only because there are so many armed civilians there and a very professional police force,
most of them did not end with double-digit murder tolls (only one since the beginning of the year), but there is no shortage of those either.
4.5 – In Georgia, 4 were murdered at a McDonald's branch.
29.4 – Texas, 5 were murdered.
10.4 – 5 were murdered in the massacre in Kentucky.
27.3 – Tennessee. 7 were murdered in a school.
13.2 – Michigan. 3 murdered at a university.
21.1 – California. 12 murdered in a park.
30.12.22 – 4 were murdered in their sleep at the University of Idaho.
15.10.22 – North Carolina, 5 were murdered.
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Among Jews there are no fewer armed people than in the U.S., and aside from murders resulting from disputes between criminals (which surely also exist in the U.S.), most of whom in any case are not Jews,
I don't really recall common cases of people taking a weapon and starting to spray innocent people with bullets.
Eastern Europe – tens of thousands (maybe already hundreds of thousands) in a blood-soaked war between two Eastern European peoples. And that includes monstrous horror stories between the two sides.
There is no end in sight to the war; among Jews, by contrast, there is always an aspiration to end a conflict as early as possible and prevent bloodshed.
Western Europe – we already saw their morality 80 years ago. . . .
China, the Muslim world, India, Africa, South America – no point elaborating. . .
How can a person who claims to have a rational and logical approach still, even nowadays, argue (on the basis of existing data) that the moral level of Jews is like everyone else's?
Answer
I thought I had already encountered every kind of demagoguery that exists, but again and again I discover I was mistaken. There is really no need to answer, but for the sake of politeness I'll still write something.
How does our comparison look against Belgium? Sweden? Canada? India in all its varieties? Ivory Coast? The ants on the moon?
To substantiate such a claim, you cannot choose extreme examples and compare us to them. You need to conduct a comparison against all the nations of the world. Good luck with that.
Discussion on Answer
If statistics are not demagoguery in your eyes, you're invited to look here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country
Israel has a not-at-all high murder rate, and it is clear to all of us that most murders in Israel are not committed by something connected to Jews (or else it would turn out that the percentage of murdering Jews is perhaps even the lowest in the world).
And in any case, the murder rate in Israel is very, very low. Even in countries where fewer murders are committed, the gap from Israel is not large at all.
As for countries whose murder rate is lower than Israel's (again, I doubt there even are such countries if you subtract the non-Jewish murderers from Israel's statistics), allow me to doubt the data when among the stars there are, among others: China (not exactly a symbol of morality), Syria (hahaha), Japan (a country that even if fewer murders are committed there, is known for its cruel history).
As for Western European countries where they apparently murder less than in Israel – that's probably because they don't subtract the non-Jewish murderers from the stats in Israel.
And in any case, in a country like Belgium, Australia, Denmark, and Sweden (which let thousands of its citizens die in the coronavirus), there aren't so many armed civilians at all (the exact opposite of Israel or the U.S.), so it can be explained that they don't have "sin crouching at the door," and that is perfectly logical.
As for the countries you mentioned, it's recommended to glance lightly at Wikipedia or open a book before typing nonsense.
Ivory Coast: two civil wars in just the last 20 years. Thousands dead (indeed, we too have thousands dead in the protests these days).
India: as stated, they murder more than in Israel (and that's still a Third World country where they don't exactly check and report everything there).
Canada: only recently – 19.12.22 – murder of 6 people by their neighbor. 4.9.22 – 10 murdered. 20.4.2020 – murder of 18 by a dentist. And in any case, in Canada they murder more than in Israel (even before we removed the non-Jews).
Belgium – they murder more than in Israel (even before we subtracted the non-Jewish murderers here), and on top of that they don't have "sin crouching at the door."
And to sum up, I repeat, regarding countries where fewer murders are committed than in Israel (mainly a few Western European countries):
First, that's if you take into account the non-Jewish murderers (the overwhelming majority of the murderers in Israel).
Second, these countries have almost no armed civilians at all, unlike countries like Israel, the U.S., or Muslim countries.
In short, you got a learned and reasoned response, so apologize.
It seems that actually you are the demagogue.
Let the reader judge.
Indeed, a learned and reasoned response. I apologize, because it seems to me that I estimated you far beyond what you deserve. It turns out this truly is a wonderful example of the intellectual superiority of Jews.
More data for the readers:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Look where Israel is located in the example table shown there (an example from one year; it's recommended to sort by Rate).
After that, check (not on Wiki) how many murdered people (and probably also murderers) are from the Jewish sector for that year (or in general, really, every year – it comes out to no more than 30-40 each year, in recent years)
Calculate that against the number of Jews in Israel, and then see how far Jewish Israel improves in the table.
After you've seen how far Jewish Israel improves, several things need to be taken into account:
A. If you check against countries with a sample size not far off (in population size) from Jewish Israel, the situation is absolutely perfect, or at least you should filter out countries with a very small number of residents (like San Marino) because they are not relevant to the sample.
B. In Israel there is a crazy percentage of armed people, so ostensibly it would have been reasonable for there to be a much higher percentage of Jewish murderers here.
C. It is reasonable that there are countries that do not report properly on the murder situation there (China, Syria, etc.). And in any case, to anyone who has even a bit of sense in his head, it is obvious that the State of Israel is more moral than they are.
In general, murders are only one example of the higher morality of the Jewish people. There are many other parameters as well.
I'll finish by saying that it's a little funny to get criticism from a person who writes "I don't see that Jews are more moral" when, in writing that sentence, he is not relying on any data at all, but merely on the promptings of his heart, and a desire to steer his articles toward points that are convenient for him, including attacking straw men and cheap demagoguery
Just a note – the comparison between Israel and the United States regarding the fact that civilians have weapons is mistaken for two reasons: A. In Israel, you need to receive approval in order to carry a weapon, so basically people with the potential for a mass slaughter don't get weapons (of course this isn't perfect, but broadly speaking it works). B. In Israel, the basic gun license permits carrying a pistol and 100 bullets, not exactly something a person goes out with to commit a massacre.
Ish,
It could be that on this point the comparison between us and the U.S. is indeed not precise.
On the other hand, here there are many more armed soldiers walking around, and a very substantial portion of the residents of Judea and Samaria are armed, and also just ordinary people living in Lod, Jerusalem, Acre, Ramla, the north, Be'er Sheva, etc.
I believe that at any given moment there are more people actually armed in the State of Israel than armed people in the U.S. (and not just people who keep a weapon at home for when needed), proportionally speaking.
By the way, what do you say about the fact that the State of Israel ranks not high on the murder scale almost every year, and when you clean out of that the Arabs who are murdered and murder (the great majority; this year they are already above 70), then it turns out there is a very, very low murder rate among Jews here, even compared to advanced Western Europe?
That's the main point.
I didn't understand why the Rabbi got heated. You don't know gentiles; how do you know you're right? (And apparently you also don't know Jewish criminals up close.) Go and learn among us abroad, or train your tongue to say: I don't know.
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/rkytjesjp
And in general, you shouldn't believe things people say about Jewish advantages over gentiles. They also say, for example, that Jews are smarter than gentiles, and here you can see a counterexample: https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%d7%94%d7%90%d7%9d-%d7%91%d7%90%d7%9e%d7%aa-%d7%99%d7%94%d7%95%d7%93%d7%99%d7%9D-%d7%91%d7%a2%d7%9c%d7%99-%d7%90%d7%95%d7%aa%D7%94-%d7%A8%D7%9E%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A8-%D7%9B%D7%9E%D7%95-%D7%9B#answer-80848