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Learning from the Hebrew Bible

Question

You say that it’s impossible to learn conceptions from the Hebrew Bible (or almost impossible).
So is it possible to learn that a state in the Land of Israel that observes Torah and commandments is a positive thing?

Answer

Observance of the commandments is an obligation. That is the essence of Jewish law. What more do you need beyond that?

Discussion on Answer

Learning from the Hebrew Bible (2023-08-06)

I’m just testing your approach and looking for truth.
You said that you can’t learn (almost) anything from the Hebrew Bible, and you gave extreme examples: Neturei Karta, who completely oppose the state because of its character, or those who for religious reasons (the beginning of the redemption) have no problem attributing holiness to a secular state.

So those two indeed cannot be learned from the Hebrew Bible.

But regarding a religious state that believers would support, I’ll ask again: is it really impossible to learn from the Hebrew Bible that God’s will is that there be a religious state here?

Sources with prophetic value from the Hebrew Bible:
* God brings the Jewish people into the Land so that they will observe His commandments (especially in Deuteronomy).
* God is pleased with King Solomon and with the Jewish people when the state maintains a religious way of life under his rule.

I can bring more if necessary.

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Michi (2023-08-06)

The topic is discussed in great detail in column 134-5, and see also the talkbacks there.

Learning from the Hebrew Bible (2023-08-06)

I didn’t see an answer to the specific issue I asked about.
You argued there that learning God’s will is only through Jewish law.

If there is something that is clearly implied in the Hebrew Bible, like the idea that a religious state in the Land of Israel is a positive thing,
that isn’t “learning historical lessons” or “spiritual learning.”
To me it looks like God’s will in the plain sense—much clearer than certain laws that depend on a particular time.

Why not put that into the category of God’s will?

Michi (2023-08-06)

You didn’t read it. Read there. It’s all addressed and answered, and there as well as in the talkbacks dozens more examples are brought.

Learning from the Hebrew Bible (2023-08-06)

I read both columns and the talkbacks, and I even narrowed the search by the words state / State of / Israel.

The only thing that was there was a kind of puzzlement on your part (a very strange one):
“Who says the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people after they were exiled from it because of their sins?”

I didn’t find anything else.
And that too doesn’t answer my question at all.
My question was not necessarily about whether the land belongs to the Jewish people after the exile, but rather whether it is implied by the Hebrew Bible that a Jewish state in the Land of Israel is a positive thing (for the sake of simplicity, let’s say before the exile).

If you want, feel free to answer.
I’ve finished looking through the other sources.

By the way, for everything you wrote about the Hebrew Bible, I can find far more holes in learning Jewish law from the Oral Torah.
Here are a few:
Is it normal that in the place from which Jewish law is learned, so many things end in an unresolved stalemate or without a practical ruling?
Is the way the information is presented in the Talmud—so scattered—really God’s will for how we should learn our purpose in the world?
Can a text written by human beings, only tiny portions of which were transmitted by tradition from Sinai, really be God’s will?
Can God’s will, as conveyed in a sacred text, contain quite a few scientific errors on the basis of which halakhic rulings were issued?

And this is only the beginning of the questions.

Learning from the Hebrew Bible (2023-08-06)

One more thing that just popped into my head בעקבות your question—
“Who says the Land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people after they were exiled from it because of their sins?”

Fine, let’s go with that:
“Who says the Jewish people are still the chosen people after they were exiled because of their sins?”

Let’s convert to Christianity and upload videos to IGOD.

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