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Evolution and an intelligent designer

שו"תEvolution and an intelligent designer
שאל לפני 9 שנים

Hello Dr. Abraham

I enjoyed talking to you today at the open day, even if it wasn't on the topics it was intended for (:
I'm not sure I was able to make myself fully clear.
The fact that the world 'responds' to our investigation (in that our predictions often come true) proves that we have adequate tools [at least to some extent] to grasp it. This sounds reasonable to me and can also be explained in principle through adaptation of the system at the level of species evolution and statistical learning at the level of the individual.
I just came to deny (and maybe you agree with me) the explanatory power of the term force that refers to the laws of nature.
For example, any 'high' phenomenon that we describe and try to explain by reduction to the basic laws of matter – let's say we eventually arrive at the Standard Model and the fundamental forces. According to my [painfully poor] understanding of physics, the fundamental forces ultimately describe an interaction in a certain pattern between certain particles. So if we call one the 'strong force' and the other the 'weak force', these are just names that symbolize an interaction in a certain pattern, and in other words, relationships between phenomena. If you never meant otherwise [I got that impression from the book 'True and Stable'], I retract my words…

The second topic I wanted to talk about but we didn't have time.
In your book 'God Plays Dice' [I read it quite a while ago – I hope I'm accurate] you present the argument that in the estimated time period from the origin of life to the appearance of advanced species, the evolutionary process, if random, is completely improbable. On the basis of this you want to infer the existence of some intelligent designer who 'plays a role' in the process.
As I understand it, the way of science is to collect observations, find a common denominator, and define a generalizing law and then empirically test the predictions that follow from it. And to the extent that the predictions are confirmed, we will hold on to the theory and to the extent that we will not make certain corrections, etc. Without going into the fact that the theory of evolution differs in several respects from the usual formulation of laws in science, if the theory is not reasonable to explain the development of species, we must conclude that we lack information about the environmental conditions or the precise genetic replication mechanism, and if there are too many holes in the theory, we may ultimately assume that the theory is not good enough and abandon it. On the other hand, I really do not understand what the meaning of an intelligent designer is. For me, it is like saying, I am not abandoning the theory, but since there are holes in it, I assume that there is another factor (or several such) that influences the process and in the meantime I do not identify it or the mechanism by which it operates, so I will call it X.
In science and, in my opinion, in rational and parsimonious thinking, we assume that the aforementioned X is not a new law of nature but a mechanism that is supposed to be consistent with the laws known to us and perhaps even derived from them in a way that we do not yet know how to formulate (very robust evidence is needed to assume, through observation of 'higher' phenomena such as developed organisms, a violation of the basic laws of nature). So if 'intelligent designer' is just a new (and misleading, it must be said) name for the aforementioned X, then I tend to agree, but if by 'intelligent designer' you mean an X that is disconnected from the lawfulness that we assume underlies all phenomena known to us, then there is a leap here that I have difficulty agreeing with.

I would appreciate your learned response.
I hope I was able to clarify myself properly and sorry for the length.
Thank you very much.
And good Sabbath


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I still don't understand your first comment. There's no point in getting to the strong and weak forces, and it's better to focus the discussion on gravity, and I can only repeat what I told you in our conversation. We see before our eyes that any two masses attract each other. This can be referred to in terms of a law that describes things and it can be explained that behind these phenomena there is a force (= an entity that exists in reality) that causes these phenomena. This is completely parallel to the difference between causation in the perception of everyday life (correlation and temporal precedence) and causation as every normal person perceives it (temporal precedence and physical causation). The fact is that most people see gravity in the second way and also causality in the second way. The first possibility can be raised (here and here), but it is a bit of a quibble. Like asking whether there is a world or whether everything we see exists only in our consciousness. It is true that seeing the world is done with the eyes and seeing causality and the force of gravity is not (but with the "mind's eyes"), but this is not a fundamental difference. The fact is that people invest huge amounts of money to find gravitons (particles that carry the force of gravity), and this indicates that they are quite convinced that the hypothesis that there is a force of gravity and not just the law of gravity seems very well-founded to them (and not just speculation). Not to mention suggestions that things happen without a reason (in the sense of the cause) that seem like baseless speculation (although possible of course. The celestial teapot is also possible in principle). Regarding your second comment, I explained this in great detail in my book, and also in an article I wrote here on my website. You should pay attention to the distinction (which is more detailed in the article) between explanation within and outside the laws. I explained there that I am not talking about a god of the gaps, but rather a fundamental gap that cannot be closed by scientific research (who created the basic laws?).

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