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A Look at Slippery-Slope Arguments (Column 429)

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More than once on the site, considerations of the slippery slope have come up (see for example here). This is a type of argument that people are especially fond of, and they tend to raise it in almost every discussion of halakhic policy and halakhah—though not only there. For example, a few weeks ago I was asked about a proposal to give treatment priority to those vaccinated against COVID-19. The questioner claimed that the next step would be to incarcerate the unvaccinated in quarantine camps and to deny them medical care altogether. Immediately afterward another participant asked why not also restrict treatment for smokers and for those who eat unhealthy foods and become overweight, since all of these are “to blame” for their condition (here it seems to be merely an analogy rather than a slope, and it deserves discussion). At the end of that thread the claim was explicitly raised that this is a slippery slope, and I said there that I don’t like such arguments and that I intend to devote a column to explaining why. Here it is.

Definition

An argument that aims to justify some claim is supposed to show why it is true. In a normative context, an argument for some norm is supposed to indicate that it is positive/appropriate. For example, in an ethical context one can argue that murder is unworthy because it causes the loss of life, and via the categorical imperative one can claim it is immoral because universalizing it would lead to the loss of humanity. Regarding giving charity, one can argue that this is a positive step because it improves the poor person’s situation. In the halakhic context as well, the common arguments are ones that justify a given norm. For example: women should be disqualified from testimony because Scripture states such-and-such; it is forbidden to eat the meat of such-and-such an animal because it is not on the list of kosher species; and so forth. These are source-based rationales. Rationales of “reason” can rely on the claim that this is God’s will and that we are obligated to fulfill His will, or on pointing to a problematic aspect of the specific action in question.

But there are arguments that propose a justification for some claim not on its own merits, but via its consequences. For example: it is forbidden to allow a woman to deliver a divrei Torah or to say Kaddish in the synagogue, because if we do this, in the future some will permit her to testify and to serve as a judge (Heaven forfend). What distinguishes this argument from the previous examples? It actually assumes that there is nothing wrong, in themselves, with a woman reciting Kaddish or delivering a divrei Torah. The claim is that permitting these otherwise permitted acts might lead in the future to problematic consequences. This contrasts with someone who would argue that a woman should not deliver a divrei Torah or say Kaddish because it is immodest or because “a woman’s voice is ervah”—arguments that address the matter itself. Without entering into the cogency of those latter arguments, they point to a problem in the action under discussion itself, not merely to problematic consequences of it.

Is there such a thing as a positive slope?

The term “slippery slope” is generally used as part of arguments opposing some action or measure, by pointing to their problematic consequences. But there are also “slippery-slope” arguments in a positive direction. For example: if we teach only religious studies in school, then in the future the students will attach greater importance to Torah and will continue to learn. Again, there is an assumption here that in principle it would be appropriate to teach secular studies as well, but because of future consequences we recommend a different present-day step. This is, of course, not a slippery slope in the literal sense, since there is no sliding downward but rather an ascent (in the rungs of Torah and fear of Heaven—an improvement). Still, it is an argument based on future consequences.

One can hairsplit and formulate the positive argument in negative terms: it is not worthwhile to teach secular studies because in the future the attitude toward religious studies will become disparaging or insufficiently respectful. Seemingly this is equivalent to the previous argument, but here the slope indeed descends. The concern is about deterioration rather than hope for improvement. I have already noted more than once the difference between a positive commandment and a prohibition in halakhah (see in column 202 and in columns 415 and on, and at length in the book Yishlach Shoreshav, in the essay on the sixth root), and there I showed that these formulations are not necessarily equivalent. For our purposes here, any argument that is based on future consequences will be considered a slippery-slope argument.

Is there really a difference between substantive reasons and slippery slopes? Certainty and immediacy

Another important note. There are many ordinary arguments that, on their face, look like slippery-slope arguments. For example: it is forbidden to steal because it diminishes another’s property. It is forbidden to strike because it causes pain to the victim, and so forth. These are not slippery-slope arguments, even though they have a consequentialist flavor. The reason is that the present act directly yields the problematic consequence. This is not a future concern (that may or may not materialize), but a direct and necessary result of the act (akin to the halakhic definition of a pesik reisha).

Again one can hairsplit and say: it is forbidden to shoot at another person because you might hit him and kill him—this is a slippery-slope argument. There is a chance you won’t hit him, and so the outcome is not entirely certain. Beyond the question of the probability level—which is itself relevant to the discussion—there is here the matter of directness. The killing is a direct result of the shooting and is expected to occur immediately afterward. Such a case is not considered a slippery-slope argument.

To summarize: slippery-slope arguments are characterized by the fact that the future consequence to which they point is neither certain nor immediate (somewhat similar to criteria raised by the commentators for distinguishing between grama and garmei). The relationship between certainty and immediacy requires further clarification; this is not the place for it.

A terminological clarification

Let me add another terminological clarification. The distinction between arguments that address the matter itself and slippery-slope arguments can create the impression that slippery-slope arguments are not substantive. Not so. They are perfectly substantive; I distinguish them from arguments on the matter itself only because of their nature. They are called thus because they do not deal with the matter itself but with its consequences.

Distinguishing and mixing the types of arguments: spurious correlations

There are topics for which slippery-slope arguments are used almost all the time (such as the status of women, openness to modernity, etc.). Sometimes one side in a debate raises only slippery-slope arguments, and sometimes they are raised in addition to arguments on the matter itself. When only slippery-slope arguments are raised, there are two main reasons: sometimes it is because there truly are no other arguments to support the claim; but sometimes it is meant to amplify the impression. You are forbidding an act that, in itself, is minor and innocent, or at most mildly negative; therefore you must show that in the future it will bring us to nuclear apocalypse. As is attributed to R. Ḥayyim: if I am lenient on a rabbinic prohibition, the baker’s apprentice in Paris will worship idols.

In any case, when only a slippery-slope argument is raised, the logical conclusion is that the speaker has no arguments against the matter itself (not in a pejorative sense, as above; my point is that the step, in itself, is not problematic or is even desirable). That is, in his view the step itself is appropriate and unobjectionable. Therefore, in cases where the step in question is itself neutral, it is natural to turn to questions of consequences and to raise slippery-slope arguments. But when there is a dispute over the step itself (substantive claims) and the opponents also raise slippery-slope arguments, this may reflect a tendentious and less than forthright presentation of their position.

And what about a situation in which both kinds of rationales arise? Someone claims that the step in question is forbidden and that it may also lead to problematic consequences. Seemingly this is entirely legitimate, at least so long as one is careful to distinguish between the kinds of arguments. When discussing any topic, it is important first to establish our position regarding the thing itself, and only afterward to discuss the consequences. In many cases this is not done, and it distorts and obscures the discussion.

Such mixtures are sometimes accompanied by biases. For example, there are situations in which slippery-slope arguments lead a person to oppose the step in question, and now he is also careful to “prove,” with (rather dubious) signs and wonders, that it is also forbidden in itself. More rarely, when a person concludes that the step is inherently wrong, he will also search under every stone for problematic consequences that will magnify the weight of the opposition, as I noted above (nuclear apocalypse).

I must say that I have hardly encountered situations in which someone says that the step itself is blessed—or at least neutral—but there are slippery-slope considerations that require forbidding it; or, conversely, that the step itself is problematic but has no problematic consequences. Usually all the arguments from each side point in the same direction: it is both forbidden and harmful, or it is neither forbidden nor harmful. This alignment (correlation) gives off the scent of a tendentious presentation. When all types of arguments point in the same direction, it doesn’t look “accidental.”[1] True, it is possible that this is indeed the speaker’s substantive view, but in my experience in many cases it is tendentiousness. On this point I refer you to columns that dealt with spurious correlations (see for example columns 1, 41, 151, 256, and many more).

The fundamental problem with slippery-slope arguments

Having defined the nature of these arguments, we can understand why they have an inherent problem. I will preempt here the common counterarguments to slippery slopes, which rely on the claim that the consequences will not actually arise even if we now permit the action in question. The fear of future consequences is unreasonable; it is unjustified hysteria. In many cases that is indeed the kind of response raised against slippery-slope arguments (see, for example, on Wikipedia). But for me that is not our discussion, for if this counterargument is correct, then there is no slippery-slope argument here at all—just demagoguery. Our concern here is with genuine slippery-slope arguments, namely, where the results indeed might arrive if the permission is granted.

To understand the built-in problem with genuine slippery-slope arguments, let me recall that such an argument tells us that there is a step which, in itself, is appropriate, neutral, or even positive, and nonetheless we should forbid it because of its future consequences. Let me also recall that these consequences are uncertain and not immediate (otherwise it is a substantive rationale and not a slippery-slope argument). If so, a slippery-slope argument seeks to forbid now what is permitted—or even what is desirable—because of doubt that the permission might lead in the future to problems. This means that we are mortgaging the certain present in favor of a doubtful future. Even if we are merely forbidding what is permitted (and not what is desirable), it is still a problematic argument—and all the more so if we are now forbidding something that is worthy and positive, not merely permitted. The starting point should be that one does not forbid what is permitted, for doubt does not override certainty. A very good reason is required to make us do so.

For example, forbidding women to say Kaddish or deliver a divrei Torah in the synagogue is, by all accounts, a problematic policy in itself—both because it excludes women from activities in which there is no problem for them to participate, and because these activities are important for their spiritual activity and growth. That is, these are acts that, in themselves, are desirable and worthy. Therefore, one who argues that they should be forbidden because of a slippery slope bears the weaker hand. In principle it is not right to relinquish the certain present because of a doubtful future, for doubt does not override certainty.

So what should be done with these arguments? The slippery slope of using slippery-slope arguments

Granted, there are cases in which it is nonetheless justified. For example, if the consequences are likely with high probability (the slope’s slipperiness is great), especially if they are of great negative significance (the slope is steep), and, of course, all this must be weighed against the magnitude of the present advantages of the step in question (how high is the first hill from which one would slide). In any case, my claim is that in principle the burden of proof in such cases lies with the one who seeks to forbid. So long as heavy-weight reasons have not been brought, such actions or steps should not be forbidden.

David Enoch devoted an article to slippery-slope arguments (this also came up here on the site). Already in the title he writes that there is a slippery slope in our use of slippery-slope arguments. It is precisely this formulation of his (which I have mentioned more than once) that I do not accept. If a slippery-slope argument is not admissible (because of the relative weights described above), then do not accept it. Rejecting it with the claim that there are slippery slopes is to reject a good slippery-slope argument because of concern about future bad ones. Once again, this mortgages the certain present in favor of a doubtful future.

Tolginos, in that thread, proposed the following compromise: Enoch prefers a policy that categorically rejects slippery slopes to a policy that always requires them. But of course both approaches are poor, and there is no reason to adopt either. As I explained, we should give these arguments a place—but with caution and suspicion. I have mentioned here in the past a saying attributed to Rav Kook (I was previously corrected that it is attributed to the Rebbe of Vizhnitz, but I have now been told second-hand that it is indeed Rav Kook): It is better to err on the side of gratuitous love than on the side of gratuitous hatred. To which I add: best of all is not to err in either. When there are two bad options, that does not mean we must choose the less bad. Better to look for an option that is better than both.

Between slippery slope and vagueness

In many cases I have seen people use the term “slippery slope” for situations of vagueness. For example, some argue that abortion should be forbidden because a fetus is in an intermediate state between a human being and an animal (it lacks consciousness, thought, will, etc.). This is a conceptual error, since such an argument aims to point out that the concept of life is not binary—that is, there is a continuum of degrees of “aliveness” between a plant or an animal and a living human being—and therefore we should not permit the killing of a being in such an intermediate state, because we have no way of knowing where along that continuum the states begin that are already worthy of the designation “human life.” Note that this argument does not rely on future consequences, and therefore it is not correct to call it a slippery-slope argument. It points out that we have no way of knowing when the being is already considered a person whom it is forbidden to kill, and therefore out of doubt we should be stringent along the entire slope (even if it is not “slippery”). This forbids the present state (albeit perhaps more leniently), rather than forbidding something permitted for fear of future problems.

My assumption here is that in such cases one should use fuzzy logic—namely, there is a continuum of degrees of “aliveness,” from which follows a continuum of degrees of prohibition (degrees of killing). One can, of course, think of cases in which the boundary exists but is unknown (an epistemic rather than ontic doubt; see the series of columns 322 and on), and there it is more similar to a slippery-slope argument: our ignorance will cause us to slide down the slope and reach an impermissible state.

What causes confusion regarding fuzzy logic is probably that even in such cases one can see, in the background, a fear of a slippery slope. If there is a vague state with no sharp line distinguishing a person from a plant or an animal, then the concern that permitting the killing of a fetus will lead to the killing of a person is greater. For example, we will permit killing a one-month-old fetus, and others will come to permit killing a five-month-old fetus; and perhaps there will even be those who permit killing an infant (who likely also lacks genuine will and awareness, etc.). A continuum of vague states indeed constitutes a slope that is easy to slide down. But presenting the problem as a slippery slope misses an important point: even regarding the one-month-old fetus itself there is no clear permission to kill it. Therefore first of all it is important to point to the intrinsic prohibition, and only afterward to add the slippery-slope consideration. As I noted above, raising a slippery-slope argument carries the subtext that there is no problem in killing this fetus in itself.

There are sometimes situations in which there is vagueness in the definition (an ontic doubt—the first type defined two paragraphs above), yet there is still a line—usually not sharp (the sorites paradox)—that distinguishes between problematic and non-problematic states. For example, a person may argue against licensing a mosque in a city for fear that we will be flooded with requests to establish additional mosques, changing the city’s character. Let us assume for the sake of discussion that the existence of a single mosque in the city is not problematic at all, but a hundred mosques could already be a problem. In the discussion about the first mosque there is only a slippery-slope claim, since it is not problematic in itself. On these assumptions, this discussion contains no argument on the matter itself, only a slippery-slope claim.[2]

In such cases the vagueness itself is a significant factor in the likelihood of sliding down the slope. If we begin by permitting the first mosque, this can indeed lead to permitting more. Partly because if there is no problem with one mosque, then logically there should be no problem with two or with a hundred (the sorites paradox). Wikipedia lists three mechanisms that can lead to sliding down the slope: first, the principle of equality; second, the principle of momentum (the permission will motivate further requests); and third, the principle of kinetic friction. In mechanics it is known that the friction the ground exerts on a moving body is smaller than that exerted on a stationary body. Similarly, once we have permitted one mosque (we are “in motion”), it will be easier to continue permitting those that follow.

A value-consciousness slippery slope

Sometimes one hears value- or consciousness-based slippery-slope arguments. In the example mentioned above: if we restrict treatment for the unvaccinated, we will come to restrict it for the overweight; or: if we permit homosexual relations, we will come to permit incest within the family. These cases are somewhat different from the previous examples, since what is at issue is the deterioration of norms and not only of behavior. In addition, we are speaking about the deterioration of a society, not of a single individual.

To sharpen this, let me take the second example. Suppose that if we permit homosexual relations, then later we will also permit incest. Here it is not that we will fail in a forbidden act, but that our norms will change. But if, at some future stage, we indeed think that such an act is permitted—then what is the problem? The problem is that now we think it is forbidden. In other words, we are looking at the future through a present-day lens. Yet this is a very problematic argument. If then we think that such an act is permitted, why impose our present point of view on the future? This is not a concern we should act upon. If there is a concern that we will fail in a forbidden act—that is, a psychological-behavioral slippery slope—then that is a relevant argument. But a value- or norm-based slippery slope, in my opinion, is a null argument.

For this reason I am in principle opposed to a constitution in this draconian sense. Think of a constitution that contains laws that require a supermajority to change—say, 70% of the Knesset. Our present-day determination binds the hands of a future Knesset. Suppose that in five hundred years there is a 60% majority in the Knesset to change the law. They will be unable to do so because today there was a (perhaps accidental—but even if not) majority that set a 70% requirement. Why should today’s legislators dictate the conduct of the state in a hundred or a thousand years when then there is a solid majority against it?

In halakhah there is the notion of nedarei ziruzin—oaths of encouragement. A person swears to perform a mitzvah; strictly speaking, such an oath does not take effect. We are already sworn from Sinai, and an oath does not take effect on an existing oath. Why would anyone swear such an oath at all? If he is going to perform the act despite its prohibition, then he will also violate the oath—so what does swearing help? The matter is apparently psychological (we have strong aversion to violating an oath). But it is also possible that the person fears a state in which he will think in the future that the act is not prohibited (he will change his halakhic view), and that is what he seeks to prevent by his present oath. Yet in that case I do not understand why to take a present step that will bind his hands and not allow him to act as he will then understand? If in the future he thinks it is permitted, then he should act according to what he thinks at that time, not according to what he thought ten years earlier.

This reminds me of the well-known story of R. Naḥman of Breslov about the king and his friend who knew that the whole world was about to go mad (eat maddening grain) and decided to write on their foreheads “I am mad,” so that after they went mad they would at least be aware of it. If you are about to go mad, this has a certain logic, because clearly your present view has an inherent advantage over what you will think in the future. But if you fear a future change of opinion, then there is no logic to writing your present view on your forehead. It is no better than what you will think then. On the contrary, we have a Talmudic dictum that the halakhah follows the later authority (halakhah kebatra’i), because he is familiar with the arguments of his predecessors.

In short, a slippery slope should relate to the psychological-factual plane and not to the value-normative plane.

An example of a slippery-slope argument

I will now bring a passage whose analysis allows us to use the entire arsenal presented so far. A man named Prof. Davidson raised the following argument in a Knesset committee meeting (from Wikipedia):

I want to bring a story, though I ask your forgiveness for the comparison: in the early 1930s there was severe distress in Germany, which also affected the medical field. It was impossible to provide medical treatment to all the sick. The German Medical Association then advised physicians: do not treat every patient, but only those who can be cured within a short time. A year or two later, another decision was taken by the German Medical Association: do not treat patients whose opinions stand in sharp opposition to the government’s view. Some time later another decision was taken: not only will we not provide treatment, we will help the government eliminate those whose opinions do not accord with the government’s. In the Nuremberg Trials there participated an observing physician named Leo Alexander, who wrote about the steep slope you descend the moment you begin making decisions that render one person’s life worth less than another’s.

The first proposal was very reasonable. It seems the appropriate and sensible policy for that situation. And in any case, if someone thinks it is not reasonable, then he need not resort to slippery-slope arguments. But Davidson presents here a slippery slope (which in fact occurred), whose next step was not to treat patients with problematic views (in the government’s eyes). This is, of course, not a necessary result of the first decision, and the justification for it is unconnected to the reasonable justification for the first proposal. One might think that the first decision lowered the sensitivity threshold regarding the duty to treat patients, and then perhaps there is a fear of a slippery slope. I am inclined to think that the causal relationship was the reverse: because the sensitivity was low, they slid down the slope. Moreover, if the Nazis concluded that there is indeed no justification to treat those with problematic views, I do not understand what slippery slope he found here. That was their view at that stage, and they acted accordingly. This is a change of norms rather than a mere behavioral change.

At the next stage down our slope, these fellows decided to eliminate those with opposing views. Yet this actually proves the correctness of my analysis (that there is no slippery slope here). The Nazis changed their values and, at some point, denied the value of the lives of those with opposing stances. This has nothing to do with slippery slopes, since it is a change of values, not merely of behavior. This argument is such typical demagoguery that I could not resist presenting it here.

Note that moral pathos leads us to identify with the words, but we do not notice that this is demagoguery. Davidson (following the physician Leo Alexander, whom he mentions) exploits the fact that the Nazi stance itself repels us, in order to feed us a baseless slippery-slope argument about the value of life. Does he expect that when we lack sufficient resources to treat everyone we will not set prioritization criteria? What, then, is his alternative?

This is a typical and very common demagogic method (see, for example, Justice Elon’s words quoted at the end of Rubinstein’s article here, near note 23). One presents a conclusion that elicits the listeners’ identification, even though the argument that supposedly grounds it is flawed and fails. Identification with the conclusion distracts from the flaws in the argument. I have often noted that one can have a poor argument leading to a true conclusion, as well as a false conclusion arising from a valid argument (if not all its premises are true). We must beware of such deceptions.

The slippery slope in halakhah

In halakhah as well there is, of course, room for slippery-slope considerations; but there too it is very important to distinguish them from arguments on the matter itself. A significant portion of rabbinic prohibitions (derabbanan) are based on fears of future consequences and not on substantive considerations. Fences and decrees (seyagim and gezerot) were enacted to distance a person from transgression—that is, we forbid a present-day step that is permitted, and perhaps even desirable, out of concern that permitting it will lead people to future transgressions. The term “fence” (seyag) in its literal sense is a barrier set up within the permitted domain to prevent crossing into the forbidden domain.

Take an example: riding a horse on Shabbat was forbidden lest one come to pluck a branch. Riding, in itself, is permitted, but there is concern that the rider will come to the Torah-level prohibition of reaping (ketzirah), and therefore the Sages forbade riding mi-derabbanan. Likewise, in the first mishnah of Berakhot, they forbade reciting the evening Shema after midnight, lest the permission lead a person to fall asleep and forget and not recite it at all.

The prohibitions of “appearance’s sake” (mar’it ayin) and “ways of peace” (darkei shalom) in halakhah can be interpreted as slippery-slope arguments, since they too are based on future concerns. This is at least their common interpretation, though each deserves discussion. The same goes for various “emergency measures” (hora’at sha’ah).

Elyakim Rubinstein, in his article on emergency measures and the slippery slope in halakhah, notes that the Sages hedged the mechanism of slippery slopes with the rule that one does not enact a decree on top of a decree (ein gozrin gezeirah legezeirah). There is here a reflection of the claim that there should not be a slippery slope in the use of slippery slopes—which, as we have seen, is an imprecise formulation of the concern about forbidding the permitted; that is, mortgaging the certain present for a doubtful future.

Halakhic implications of what we have seen

In the halakhic context as well there is attention to the distinction we saw above between a vague state and a slippery slope. For example, see note 1 above regarding Rav Kook’s claim about the inherent prohibition in every fence. He identifies the two types of considerations (in effect, he does not recognize the slippery-slope consideration on its own), and I already pointed out the difficulty in his words.

Beyond this, in the laws of Shabbat (and not only there) later authorities distinguish between two types of rabbinic prohibitions. There are those that are expansions of a Torah prohibition (de’oraita), and those that are merely fences around a Torah prohibition. For example, the rabbinic prohibition on selecting food from refuse (borer—Torah-level borer is only selecting refuse from food) can be understood as an expansion of the Torah prohibition of selecting. This is a lighter prohibition because it does not cross the Torah threshold, but qualitatively there is some “selecting” going on (somewhat like a “half-measure”), and therefore the Sages forbade it. See column 257 near note 6. By contrast, the example of riding a horse is the most clear-cut example of the first type: it is obvious that riding is not an expansion of the labor of reaping, since there is here no qualitative reaping, even a weak one, but rather something entirely different that might lead me to reap. That is certainly a pure fence, not an expansion of a Torah prohibition.

This appears almost explicitly in Maimonides, Hilkhot Shabbat 21:1:

It is said in the Torah (+Exodus 23+): “You shall rest”—even from matters that are not a labor; one is obligated to desist from them. And there are many matters that the Sages forbade because of shevut. Some matters are forbidden because they resemble the labors, and some matters are forbidden as a decree lest they lead to an offense punishable by stoning. And these are they.

What is the difference between these two types? The first type is a pure slippery slope: we forbid something entirely permitted only out of fear of a future problem. The second type concerns an action that carries some faint prohibition (that does not cross the Torah threshold), and the Sages forbid it on that account. In such cases, beyond the inherent problem in this action, it may also lead to a Torah-level problem, and therefore there is also a slippery slope, since, as I explained above, vagueness can itself cause sliding down this slope. Note, though, that in halakhah the prohibition on selecting food from refuse—which is rabbinic—does not have the same status as selecting refuse from food—which is from the Torah. That is, the real line is not vague, and the Sages know how to draw it. Yet there is concern that ordinary people will not know how to draw it and will fail.

The slippery slope as the seamline between Torah law and rabbinic law

I will conclude with a fundamental observation that, to my mind, many are unaware of (I noted it in a lecture here, and also in responsa here and here). There are enactments—such as the shevu’at hesset (supplementary oath), the market regulation (takkanat ha-shuk), and others—their rationale is not a phenomenon that suddenly appeared on the stage of history. They are not a response to a situation that arose, but a sevara (reason) that likely existed always. Regarding the shevu’at hesset there are even hints that it is an ancient law that appears already in the Mishnah, although in the world of learning its nickname is “an oath of the Gemara” (as opposed to Torah oaths and “Mishnah oaths,” most of which are listed in the Mishnah at the beginning of chapter 7 of tractate Shevuot). Later authorities (such as the Beit HaLevi, the Ḥatam Sofer, and others) wonder when these enactments were created and even assume that if it is an enactment, then it certainly cannot be from Sinai.

But in my opinion there is a misunderstanding here. The laws of the Torah deal solely with what is inherently forbidden or permitted—with intrinsic obligation. If there is room to forbid or to command something only because of considerations of future concerns, etc., that is the role of the Sages. The market regulation is meant to stabilize commercial relations and introduce certainty. That is an interest that is always valid, and it is unlikely to be a response to some situation that arose at a particular point. Therefore it is entirely possible that it is an ancient law—perhaps from the time of Moses (there are enactments attributed to Moses), or even earlier (the prayers are an enactment of the Patriarchs: “the Patriarchs instituted them”). And yet it is a rabbinic law, because its nature is that of a concern, not of an intrinsic rule. Inherently it is clear that if an object belongs to so-and-so, then even if I bought it from another in good faith, I must return it to the owner. The object is his. But such conduct would introduce unbearable uncertainty into commercial life (one cannot check the chain of title for every object; even for real estate, which is registered in the land registry—and previously in the rabbinical court—it is very complicated and problematic). Therefore the Sages decided to transfer ownership to the buyer, even though it was not his previously. By its very nature this is a rabbinic law, since it does not express a juridical truth but a future concern.

From this perspective, slippery-slope arguments belong by their very nature to the sphere of rabbinic law. In the Torah sphere such arguments are not relevant. Hence later authorities indeed assume that there are no Torah-level fences (see Lekah Tov by R. Yosef Engel, Principle 8, who discusses this). From this perspective, slippery-slope considerations are part of the watershed between Torah law and rabbinic law (regardless of chronology).

This again raises the question of what could be the rationales for the Torah’s commandments (which, although we do not derive them into practical law, are very likely to exist). Seemingly every rationale involves a future concern: we forbid some action because it is problematic for some reason; we command some mitzvah because it produces some benefit (perhaps spiritual). So what is the difference between Torah law and rabbinic law—aren’t both based on future concerns? Here I can employ what we saw above: if the concern is certain and immediate—i.e., it arises from the very act—then it is not a slippery slope. I gave, as an example, that murder is problematic because it brings about the loss of life. This is not a slippery-slope consideration, for the result is immediate and clear from the act itself, not a future consequence in the sense of a slippery slope. Once again we see that understanding the nature of slippery-slope arguments illuminates the difference between Torah laws and rabbinic laws.

[1] Rav Kook, in his Musar Avikha, argues that if something is forbidden as a fence, this means that doing it can lead to problematic consequences, and that itself is an indication that there is some problem with it in itself. This is, to me, a very strange claim. If that is the case, the Sages should have forbidden it on its own merits and not relied on fences. For halakhic implications—see below.

[2] See on this in columns 252253.

[3] Of course this is not the entire line: there are substantive rabbinic laws (such as the enactments of Ḥanukkah and Purim), and according to some views (cited in Lekah Tov there) there are also a few Torah-level fences.

Discussion

The Concern about Breaching the Value Barrier (not just a 'future practical implication') (2021-11-23)

With God's help, 20 Kislev 5782

"Slippery slope" arguments are not merely a "concern about future consequences"; they already create, in the present, a devaluation of a moral or religious value. For example, a decision to prioritize treatment for one person over another is problematic in itself, except that there are situations in which we will be forced to do so because of a severe shortage of resources. Abandoning one of the patients in such a situation ought to be accompanied by a feeling of great sorrow, that we did this only for lack of choice and with terrible heartache, like the pain of a mother forced to save only one of her children.

But the reality is that when a person acts under great compulsion, something in his psychological barriers is breached. If beforehand the thought that a doctor would ignore a patient was regarded as a "taboo that arouses horror," then after a person grows accustomed to this, his feelings become duller. What once aroused horror no longer seems quite so terrible. The lessening of the value of moral barriers is an evil in itself, even before the deterioration reaches the practical level as well.

That is why the Torah needs to bless Israel after carrying out judgment in the idolatrous city with the words, "and grant you mercy," so that that harsh judgment, which we are compelled by Torah law to carry out in the idolatrous city, should not dull our senses, so that we do not lose the call of conscience to be merciful and not cruel.

The need for great caution lest the moral barriers be breached is the basis for the halakhah that even when a court is permitted to repeal a decree that was not accepted by the public, one should not permit more than two such matters in one generation, so that we do not develop the feeling that halakhah is "plasticine" that can be played with and bent to every passing whim and every "prevailing spirit."

With blessings, Amiyoz Yaron Shnizler

Tirgitz (2021-11-23)

A. I define (and in my opinion this is a good definition) slippery-slope arguments as a subgroup of consequentialist arguments characterized by the fact that in a slippery slope one deals with the concern that a person (myself, or someone else, or some group) will in the future make a decision that currently seems to him mistaken. This is what you called a "value-consciousness slippery slope," and you rejected it on the grounds that if in the future the person will make that decision, meaning it will then seem correct to him, then there is a disagreement between the present self and the future self, so why should the present self coerce the future one? That is a central claim and should be discussed. After all, we are dealing with a decision the present person is making, and if he thinks that he himself will err in the future, then it is reasonable for him now to act in accordance with his present view. Why do you assume the opposite, that the present self should bow to the future one? (That is, according to your view, each person should act at every moment according to the opinion he has at that moment, rather than that at each moment a person should conduct his whole life according to the opinion he had at that moment.) Can a person not think that a certain environment will influence him to change his values, and therefore avoid that environment? This is not about reasoned persuasion but about something intuitive that is susceptible to erosion and change.

B. As for the supposed correlation among slippery-slope arguers who also hold that the thing itself is not neutral, that seems quite understandable to me. The idea is something like vagueness: there is a scale of severity. At the top of the slope the severity is small (but not 0), and at the bottom it is great. But a small severity does not justify the price paid, while a great severity does (say, in principle, that the severity which in our eyes justifies paying the price begins after a quarter of the slope). The point is that if today one ignores severity at the level of 0.01, then in the future people will come, in one way or another, to ignore severity at the level of 0.25 or 1 as well. (That is basically a psychological-empirical claim, not a philosophical one.) If at the top of the slope the severity is 0, meaning the action is neutral, then there is no breach of the fence of vague severity, and there is much less reason to think there is slipperiness here. So the correlation is natural, not spurious.

C. I understand that your central argument against a slippery-slope claim is the principle, "A doubt (future) does not override a certainty (present)." But what is the meaning of this principle? It is new to me that anyone thinks there is logic in it. For example, in Yevamot 38 (cited on WikiYeshiva): a doubtful heir and a yavam come to divide the grandfather's estate. In favor of the doubtful heir stands the possibility that he is the son of the deceased (and the grandson of the grandfather) and not the son of the yavam, and therefore half the grandfather's inheritance should go to him. In favor of the yavam stands the possibility that the doubtful heir is in fact his son, meaning the yavam's grandson, and therefore the whole inheritance of the grandfather goes to the yavam. And the הדין there is that the yavam is certainly an heir, whereas the doubtful heir is only possibly an heir, and therefore the yavam takes everything. About such a case the Sages said: one who ties it to something that cannot sustain it invites astonishment.

D. In the end, I do not really understand what the argument is about. If all the empirical assessments are agreed upon (what decisions will be made in the future in various situations), and the values and their weights are agreed upon (what the evaluative cost of each situation is), then the decision whether to worry about the slope (and pay a price in the present) or not just becomes an ordinary special case of a consequentialist argument. Are you saying that if there is no well-based empirical assessment—meaning it is not sufficiently clear how slippery the slope is—then one should assess the slipperiness at the minimal level that seems plausible to us?

Sh' (2021-11-23)

Regarding the distinction between a "psychological slope" (which you accept in principle) and a "value slope" (which you do not accept at all), I would like to remark that in my opinion the distinction is not so absolute.
What you call a "value slope" does not really exist; rather, the value is formed together with the psychology.

Along the lines of what you yourself wrote in practice about "weakness of will." Thus, a person takes an oath regarding X (even though he is already obligated in it) in order to strengthen the will that may fail in the future (and through that the value may fade as well).

And by the way, I thought to explain that a person takes the oath (despite already being obligated) so that in the future he will remember that this thing was critical for him, and then reconsider it. Likewise regarding a majority in government, the symbol 70 comes to indicate that in the future they should remember that this was a most important principle, and please do not take it lightly. In other words, it is a kind of reminder and warning sign that one may fail to notice on foggy days

The Last Posek (2021-11-23)

I can imagine someone as smart as you writing a similar post in the newspapers to Jews in 1930s Germany, thereby reassuring and convincing Jews that they had nothing to worry about.

The Last Posek (2021-11-23)

Because you took care, according to your method, not to learn anything from the Torah, you failed to understand that most of the Torah comes only to prevent future deterioration. To prevent a return to Egypt.
Which failed rather badly, because of sages who write clever posts saying that nothing is to be learned from the Torah.

Smith and Locksmith (2021-11-23)

And I imagine a cyclamen leaf slowly falling in the wind, and then Italy detaching from the mainland and climbing the walls of Jericho to the sounds of a concerto in A minor by the Association of Pies in the stalactite cave.

The Last Posek (2021-11-23)

Either you didn't understand what I wrote, or you're just using a tactic of distraction…
The issue is not my imagination, but the naivete, the disregard, the shutting of one's eyes, that there is in such a post.

Corrections (2021-11-23)

Paragraph 1, line 2
…we will be forced to do so because of the shortage…

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…as a 'taboo that arouses horror'…

Smith and Locksmith (2021-11-23)

If you have a concrete claim, please make it. Nobody thought that if there is a reasonable risk of something terrible happening in the future, it should be ignored.

An Elucidation of the Parable of 'the Smith and the Locksmith' (2021-11-23)

With God's help, 20 Kislev 5782

It is fitting to explain here the depth of the parable of "the Smith and the Locksmith":

When a person imagines the cyclamen leaf falling in the wind, he understands that he must be careful lest the cyclamen be exposed to the wind that will cause its leaves to fall, and he makes sure that the cyclamen remains under the rock that protects it from the wind. This is the foundation of protective fences that guard and save against the possibility of future harm.

By preserving the protection of these fences, the sin of King Solomon, who married Pharaoh's daughter and was not careful with the fence of "he shall not multiply wives for himself," will be repaired. For that he was punished, when the angel Gabriel drove a reed into the sea, which brought up a sandbank, and upon it was built Italy of Greece. Once the sin of failing to be careful to maintain the fences is corrected, the foundation of Italy of Greece is removed, and it will no longer do evil to the people of Israel.

On the contrary, the power of Italy will be harnessed to help the people of Israel climb the wall of Jericho, and thus reconquer the Land of Israel. Yet this conquest will not be carried out with the blast of war as in the days of Joshua, but out of the sweetness and pleasantness of a "concerto in A minor," like the sweetness of the manna that descended gently and was covered with dew above and dew below (as symbolized by the pie), when the delight dripping from abundant richness leaves a solid impression like a "stalactite cave."

With blessings, Nehorai Shraga Agami Pasisovitz, interpreter of the words of the wise among smiths and the riddles of locksmiths

Smith and Locksmith (2021-11-23)

Who is this that has revealed my secrets to human beings? Happy are you, Nehorai Shraga, whose thumb is an iron thumb—indeed so amid the multitude of your explanations.
And it should further be explained why he mentioned Italy specifically, that is, Rome, as it is written: "I shall be filled from the ruined city," and "one people shall prevail over the other"; and when it falls back into the sea (from the sandbank on which the great city of Rome was built), it will help Israel conquer the land.

Michi (2021-11-23)

A. If I were to accept your claim at all, giving priority to the self at one time over the self at another, I would give priority to the later self, who knows his predecessor and disagrees with him. The halakhah follows the later authority.
B. I too wrote that there are cases of genuine correlation. But there are cases where there isn't.
C. I'm glad I taught you something new.
D. My claim is that there is uncertainty regarding the future, and the very fact that it is a doubt places the burden of proof on the one who wishes to prohibit. I wrote that there is a list of criteria that can justify such arguments.

Michi (2021-11-23)

A reminder is excellent. But we are talking about a prohibition, not a reminder.

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

C. And what is the explanation for this principle (that the entire inheritance goes to the yavam)?

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

D. The concept of burden of proof is foreign to me

Michi (2021-11-24)

What will you do if you have no decision regarding the relation between the future harm and the present cost? A doubt does not override a certainty. If the burden of proof is met, it will no longer be a doubt.

Michi (2021-11-24)

If the yavam is certainly an heir and the other is only a doubt, then a doubt cannot extract from a certainty without evidence. The yavam is like one in possession. There it is less strong than in our case.

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

Try to estimate expected values and standard deviations, like any normal person making a financial decision (for example whether to buy a house) who does not use legal concepts.

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

The whole idea of one in possession also seems absurd to me. What there is in it is only a prior that what is under a person's control is his, plus some maximization of social order. And in a place of genuine doubt (whether the child was born before or after the sale), it is clear (to me) that possession has no significance (except within halakhah). I do not understand what is less strong in the yavam case than in the present case, since the one making the slippery-slope claim equips himself with some statistical estimate, even if speculative. When you used the formulation "a doubt does not override a certainty," did you mean it not in its halakhic sense, or were you intending to compare it to another halakhic case?

And in the words of Rabbi Kook in 'Mussar Avikha' (2021-11-24)

In Rav Kook's words in 'Mussar Avikha' (1:5), R. Michael Abraham's explanation does not seem correct to me—that the fact that something leads to sin is an indication that the thing is bad in itself.

What the Rav says there is that "just as the sin is bad in its essence, so too all matters connected to it by a causal relation are bad in their essence, and it is very worthwhile to separate from them." The evil is the fact that this behavior is a cause liable to lead to sin, and such behavior is itself bad.

What is this comparable to? Someone who aimed a game of "Russian roulette" at his own head. Even if he remained alive, it is clear that such behavior reflects an attitude of devaluing life. Therefore, even if he was not actually killed, his sin is great. From this we may learn that behavior liable to lead to sin is bad behavior, for by this behavior a person shows that he does not care if he sins.

What the legislative act of the Rabbis does is to transform something that leads to sin from the level of "it is very worthwhile to separate from them" to the level of "absolutely forbidden."

And similarly the Rav says elsewhere that the benefit of observing protective fences is not only in saving one from sin, but that the extra care taken with the fence shows that observance of the commandments is precious to a person, to the extent that he sets extra protection around them, like a precious diamond guarded like the apple of the eye.

With blessings, Shemaryahu Ze'ev Dimentman-Heferchi

The Last Posek (2021-11-24)

Simple proof that the author of this post is completely biased and does not possess objective thinking as he tries to present himself throughout the post, and that the post itself was written not as opposition to slippery-slope arguments but as opposition to feelings of concern and worry, which he is trying with all his strength and intellect to avoid:

And the proof is as follows:
Had he been objective, he would have written such a post at the beginning of the vaccination campaigns.
For the whole force of the vaccines derives from slippery-slope arguments: that without the injected vaccine there is concern about a severe future illness if one contracts COVID in the future.

But he did not write such a critical post. Hence, slippery-slope arguments do not disturb him at all. Therefore the only thing left is to claim that what bothers the author of the post is the conflict he has between warners and fear-mongers, on the one hand, and other interests, desires, and feelings he apparently has, always inclining toward non-fear, non-concern, and non-anxiety—which of course leads to disregard, shutting one's eyes, and blind faith in the establishment.

And the conclusion (2021-11-24)

And the conclusion:

Whoever is worried about a "slippery slope" should go get vaccinated!

With blessings, the last booster

The Last Posek (2021-11-24)

In reality there is no slope at all; there is an abyss, the grave, and we are all falling into it in free fall from the moment we are born. With a vaccine or without a vaccine. From heart problems or from cancer.
Fools secretly believe that the vaccine grants them eternal life and health. They do not know the simple truth: that they are injecting into themselves coronavirus that harms their body, which in response raises the level of antibodies because of the state of emergency they themselves created in their body.

The Last Posek (2021-11-24)

My argument is that we should save ourselves all the nonsense, and in order to protect us once and for all from the unvaccinated opponents, we should set up crematoria and gas chambers for them right now.
And I expect the honorable rabbi-scholar to engage in halakhic hair-splitting and find us why we should act this way, morally as well.
I thought one could begin in the direction of: "If someone comes to kill you, rise early and kill him first."
But I am sure the rabbi will find other permissions and obligations that will reinforce the urgent need to set up crematoria for the unvaccinated.

And What Is Different Here? (to the Last Posek) (2021-11-24)

With God's help, 20 Kislev 5782

To the Last Posek—greetings,

Regarding your words: "The vaccinated inject into themselves coronavirus that harms their body, which in response raises the level of antibodies because of the state of emergency they themselves created in their body."

And here I ask: is this not the method of every vaccine—that one injects into the body a weakened virus that is not capable of causing harm, but is sufficient to cause the creation of antibodies that will greet the stronger virus when it arrives? In the coronavirus vaccine they do not even inject a whole virus, but only part of its outer coating, and this is less than a "weakened virus," is it not?

The coronavirus vaccine also has complications and side effects, but it seems that the risk of severe illness from these effects is far smaller than the risks of coronavirus itself, and the vaccine apparently helps prevent severe coronavirus illness, for after all most of the seriously ill in the fourth wave came from among the unvaccinated.

If so, it is preferable to enter a small risk in order to be saved from a great risk!

With blessings, Avigad Shemaryahu Dimentman-Heferchi

The Last Posek (2021-11-24)

The difference is that this coronavirus vaccine does not work. A regular vaccine, like measles, works.

There is a policy of terror here, and the terror-captives, frightened and full of dread, run to get vaccinated as though it were an elixir of life, when in fact it is parts of coronavirus that harm the body.

In addition, human psychology develops dependence on Pfizer to save mankind. And the injected develop hostility toward the uninjected.

In the future there is no impediment to throwing the uninjected into crematoria in order to protect the injected vaccinated people, who are afraid of being infected despite being so vaccinated and protected.

In short, this is satanic material.

Michi (2021-11-24)

This is when I was unable to estimate.

Michi (2021-11-24)

I didn't understand. So that is the ordinary meaning of a fence. It is bad because it may lead to a sin which is bad in itself.

Michi (2021-11-24)

The first crematorium for the extermination of foolish nonsense should have been blocking the stupidity
and the baseless declarations that you scatter here by the dozens all over the site. But since I oppose censorship with all my might (except in extreme cases), I have not yet established that concentration camp. I truly deserve quite a bit of reward for that. Character refinement is not simple.

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

Seemingly a person always has some estimate in his heart.
But I understand you to be proposing decision techniques that are *not* relevant, for example, to an insurance company trying to maximize profits (and needing to decide, for example, whether to insure a given customer or add coverage for a given event to the policy), but which contain a value-laden element of what it is proper to decide irrespective of the outcome.
Are the techniques of "a doubt does not override a certainty" and "burden of proof" meant to maximize something? Or are they a kind of value in themselves? Insofar as they contain some empirical indication that leads to maximizing something, then I too accept them (and of course in the doubtful-heir-and-yavam case, for example, they indicate nothing). And insofar as they do not, then not. In your terms, it seems obvious to me that the "burden of proof" for introducing learned decision techniques that nobody uses in any area where the outcome really matters to him personally falls on you.

The Last Posek (2021-11-24)

You yourself wrote: "I am entirely in favor of limiting their ability to infect us, but only for reasons of self-protection and not for reasons of punishment."

Now all that remains is to delve further into limiting their ability to infect us, and then arrive at the conclusion that destroying the agents liable to infect us is the safest and best way to protect ourselves from them.

Do not let your soft feelings take control of you; think about it objectively. If there were some disease-causing agent (like a piece of meat), the best way to get rid of it would be by burning it or disinfecting it with sterilizing gas.

And that is the ultimate way to limit their ability to infect us.

Locking them in ghettos will not suffice, since they may break out from there and spread the disease and infect us. Therefore I suggested saving all that trouble.

The people are waiting for the great sages of the generation to issue a ruling already on the matter of the crematoria. Halakhic and moral maneuvers will not be hard for the great scholars of the generation and their subtle legalisms to find.

After the permission for a business partnership workaround, one can arrange with a small bribe a permission for cremation as well.

Mere Verbal Nullification Is Enough (to the Last Posek) (2021-11-24)

To the Last Posek—greetings,

I am astonished by your proposal. How shall we assemble the unvaccinated in the place you suggest, seeing that they have no "green pass"? 🙂

And what need is there for it? The commandment "you shall remove leaven" can be fulfilled by verbal nullification, as it is said: "Any unvaccinated person who comes into our possession shall be nullified and be as the dust of the earth"—and mere nullification is sufficient 🙂

With blessings, Frankenstein the Vampire

Michi (2021-11-24)

This is what I called a legal reasoning, as opposed to probabilistic reasoning. Legal reasonings do not teach us about a probabilistic difference; they deal with a situation in which there is no probabilistic determination. Maybe I will devote a column to this sometime. I spoke a bit about it in the columns on the kinds of legal majority (David Enoch's buses example, etc.).

The Last Posek (2021-11-24)

We will lure them there by means of media manipulations and little bribes to the guides and community leaders, telling them that the buildings in question are water showers sufficient for the purification required to receive a green pass and permission to approach Rabbi Michi's study hall in order to hear his lectures without risking his precious health.

Only let them leave their clothes outside in an orderly way.

There is no comparison between the prohibition of חמץ, which is primarily for remembrance, and in which there is a distinction between one's own leaven and that of his fellow, and where "you shall remove it" refers to the first day.

Here we are dealing with matters of life and death: the risk posed to Rabbi Michi's health by the unvaccinated opponents, and the need to limit their ability to infect him and the rest of the people of Israel who have been anointed with the holy oil, Pfizer's vaccine. Therefore one must act without mercy under the ultimate command of

"So shall you eradicate the evil from your midst"

real eradication

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

And is it agreed that an insurance company, for example (whose entire business is estimating future risks), does not use legal reasonings but only probabilistic ones? For every type of disaster they need to decide whether to include it in the policy and how much to charge for it.

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

Wow, I wasn't familiar with those columns, and on first pass they look fascinating. Shamefully ignorant in my education, Heaven forbid. I'll go back to them.

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

I knew only the appendix to the booklet on migo

Michi (2021-11-24)

Indeed נכון. These rules can be used by the regulator (and the court), not by the insurance company itself.
These rules are intended to maximize justice or proper conduct, if you like. But that is just semantics.
In my opinion people do act according to such rules in other areas too. Questions of burden of proof are used in arguments in other fields as well.

Michi (2021-11-24)

See columns 226–229, and in 229 there is a discussion almost directly about using these reasonings in various contexts (secular and religious law).

Michi (2021-11-24)

See also column 237, which continues them, and there too there is a discussion of non-probabilistic reasonings.

Tirgitz (2021-11-24)

I think that placing the burden of proof on claim B is often interpreted as the claim that claim A is more probable (for example regarding a lottery bet). Someone who chooses between equally plausible claims according to some rule is truly an incomprehensible type. (Though I have not yet studied the columns with the buses.)

Michi (2021-11-24)

In the migo booklet I brought the Chazon Ish's innovation that there is also possession-status based on the plausibility of a claim (and not on possession of property). In halakhic discourse this is an innovation.

Noam (2021-11-25)

I think the conservative intuitively assumes that justice lies with the past and with existing values, and therefore he worries about entrenching them in a constitution and in supermajority requirements and so on, even if he cannot explain them rationally.
Whereas the progressive truly sees no point in this—if when we move one step forward it really will change the general value too, then excellent, let us act as we will think in the future.

Apparently the Vaccine Helps (to the Last Posek) (2021-11-25)

The fact is that a great majority of the seriously ill in the fourth wave are unvaccinated, and their proportion among the seriously ill is considerably higher than their proportion in the population. It seems that even when the vaccinated are infected, they get through it relatively lightly. So for his own benefit, a person should get vaccinated.

With blessings, Avigad, as above

Michi (2021-11-25)

So all the world's legal systems are conservative? In all of them, "the burden of proof lies on the claimant." And science, which prefers a simple theory (fewer entities, fewer principles, etc.)? I touched on the question of conservatism in the column on Occam's razor.

The Last Posek (2021-11-25)

The issue is not whether the vaccine helps or not.
And that is not how one tests what works and what doesn't, or whether the benefit is greater than the harm.

Avishai (2021-11-27)

If you brought proof or a link from the matter of "a doubt does not override a certainty," one has to take into account that this rule (to the best of my memory) does not help one extract from someone in possession. And if we apply that here—when there is a situation of passive inaction, meaning to leave the situation as it is and not innovate things that there is concern will cause harm—then we should not introduce anything problematic.
An interesting example is R. Moshe Feinstein's view regarding a Shabbat timer (which apparently was accepted by almost no one), where he wanted to forbid it only because of a slippery slope. Here the move is to forbid something new.
An opposite example: rabbinic decrees on things that had been permitted in the past because of some incident. In such decrees they try to restrict them as much as possible to what resembles the incident that occurred.

In short, there is another element that must be taken into account when making such an argument, namely what the situation has been until now.

Michi (2021-11-27)

Even if there is such a rule in halakhah, there is no necessity to apply it in other contexts.
In any case, I did not understand your comment.
Regarding the Shabbat timer, I do not recall that R. Moshe Feinstein prohibited it because of a slope. In general, in my opinion a posek who is neither the supreme court nor the local halakhic authority cannot prohibit what is permitted. A slippery slope is a prohibition of what is permitted.
Decrees always prohibit what is permitted. I do not see a difference if it is because of an incident that occurred.

Avishai (2021-11-28)

Indeed I was not precise about the Shabbat timer, but the similarity is better than I thought: according to this article by Rabbi Gigi, he did not want to forbid it entirely, but only to permit it for turning lights on and off—because that was already practiced in Jewish communities on Shabbat by means of a non-Jew. But all the other labors that had not already been practiced in that way, he wanted to forbid. This really illustrates that not every decree is a matter of forbidding what is permitted, because in many situations the reality that would allow the act permissibly has not yet arisen.
As for the reason for the prohibition, Rabbi Gigi writes there, "lest they come to breach the fences of Shabbat"—that is very much a slippery slope. But it may be only his interpretation, and the issue is actually a devaluation of Shabbat in itself.
https://etzion.org.il/he/halakha/orach-chaim/shabbat/%D7%A9%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%9F-%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA-%E2%80%93-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A9-%D7%91%D7%95-%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%AA-%D7%A9%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%91%D7%A9%D7%91%D7%AA

In any case, it seems that at least R. Moshe Feinstein held that there is a distinction between forbidding something that people already have a practice of doing and something new. And that distinction makes much more sense if the reason is a slippery slope. For if the reason is an intrinsic evil in the thing, it would seem proper to forbid it even if people are already doing it.

Michi (2021-11-28)

A case like that too is forbidding what is permitted. It really makes no difference whether they already had a practice to permit it or not. If the thing was not forbidden, then this is prohibiting what is permitted. At most, it is turning a custom into law.
This is of course not binary. There are different degrees of intrinsic evil, and they do not always warrant prohibiting what is permitted.

EA (2023-12-25)

A. At the end you write that market regulation is an example of a slippery slope. I did not understand why. Seemingly I would say it is based on a fully substantive teleological explanation, not on a slippery slope. One should enact market regulation because without it there will be problems in the market. That is a teleological explanation, not a slippery-slope argument.
Like the difference between "one should not smoke cigarettes because it may lead to illness" and "one should not smoke cigarettes because if you smoke, you will end up smoking other dangerous things." The first is a teleological explanation for the regulation; the second is a slippery-slope explanation.

B. Can a Torah law be based on a teleological explanation? I seem to recall that you once said that a Torah law is based on a causal explanation ("because of that Platonic fact, therefore such-and-such is forbidden"), whereas rabbinic law is based on a teleological explanation (or also on a slippery slope). Perhaps that was only in monetary law.

Michi (2023-12-25)

A. I have not checked right now, but I do not think I wrote that market regulation is based on a slippery slope. I wrote that it is a means to another end (to free up the market), and therefore it is not de'oraita. A slippery slope is only an example of a type of law that cannot be de'oraita.
B. Indeed, in my opinion that is so.

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