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What Is Modern Orthodoxy: How Does It Differ from Reform? (Column 478)

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In the previous three columns I presented a fairly detailed map of situations and mechanisms of halakhic change and categorized arguments for and against change by type. In the last column I suggested defining features of Modern Orthodoxy and contrasted it mainly with non-modern conservatism. At the end I noted the natural next question: is this in fact a conservative method, or did I merely rephrase the principles of Reform? To address this, I will critically examine several of the arguments of the Reform rabbi Moshe Zemer in his book Sane Halakhah, and try to indicate similarities and differences from the picture I drew in these columns.

Reform and Conservative Halakhic Literature

Already at the start of this series I noted that I deal with typifying kinds of arguments, not with the arguers (sociological groupings). In discussing Zemer’s arguments we will again see how confusing sociology can be (that the arguer defines himself as a Reform rabbi does not necessarily mean his arguments are such). I note that the Conservative halakhic literature (they have quite a few responsa collections)[1] is of course richer and more halakhic, and there one can find not a few arguments of a Modern-Conservative character. In the first column in the series I already stated that, in my view, there is no essential difference between them and Modern Orthodoxy, aside from questions of degree. The tenor of their arguments is generally entirely Modern-Orthodox, and precisely for that reason I will not deal here with their arguments. Such examples were already brought and discussed in previous columns.

I’ll remark that the label “Conservative” is nowadays perceived in the Orthodox world and especially among rabbis as a pejorative—a warning tag for someone outside the legitimate bounds of halakhah. People don’t really distinguish between Reform and Conservative (again, I’m not dealing with people but with outlooks and arguments). In my opinion this is a mistake. The label “Reform” truly denotes arguments outside the bounds of halakhah (that is, of halakhic conservatism in its varieties), but “Conservative” is a tag without real content. If someone decides that I am Conservative (an optimistic assessment compared to a few other characterizations I’ve already received), I have no problem with that. There is indeed something to it, and there’s no need to get excited about labels and tagging. The important question is whether I am right, not what label should be stuck on me. Labeling is the tool of the weak, serving those who lack substantive, relevant arguments. This is especially so with labels that carry nothing negative other than a poor public image. And still, there is value in examining such labels and tags on the substantive plane (and not the sociological one).

I note that Zemer’s book is constructed very similarly to Conservative literature. It opens with a foundational section in which he describes the principles of his halakhic doctrine. The very fact that he bothers to anchor his proposals in interpretations of halakhic sources characterizes Reformers of past generations. It seems that today they hardly do this. Reform no longer truly pays tribute to halakhah—except at a folkloric level—and certainly does not formulate a halakhic stance in light of sources and scholastic discussion. This fact indicates that Zemer is not indifferent to halakhah and that he is committed to it in some sense, despite being Reform. And yet, one can see in several arguments of the book his Reformism, and in some points it is clear that he does not meet the criteria of Modern Orthodoxy (that is, of conservatism) as I outlined them here. I will of course not go through the entire book, but will select a few representative points to illustrate my principled claims.

As an aside I note that when the book first came to my hands many years ago, I had not yet adopted my current “heretical” views, and therefore I read it with great hostility (“some Reform type who understands nothing and can’t learn”). But while reading I decided to try to maintain intellectual honesty, and then suddenly I began to wonder what exactly is wrong with his arguments. In what way are they different from accepted arguments within Orthodox halakhah? My sense was that the difference is at most in degree but not in substance. That somewhat surprised and shook me, and led me to begin examining more systematically the theory of halakhic change and the concepts of conservatism and commitment to tradition. A few decades passed, and in the end this calf was born… (for those who needed evidence of what comes out of reading heretical books and violating “do not stray”).

Halakhah and Morality

As noted, the first section of Zemer’s book surveys the tools that halakhah itself places at our disposal to carry out the necessary changes and adaptations. This is a discussion of halakhic tools; it does not address specific laws and their change in our times. Even so, it seems that already here one can see from time to time that we are not dealing with a conservative approach (including midrashic conservatism) but a Reform one.

The first chapter there is entitled “Halakhah as an Evolving Moral System.” Already the title, and then its content, attest to an approach that, at least in my eyes, is problematic. For Zemer, halakhah is a purely moral system. In his view, halakhah is directed solely to achieving moral goals, for the individual and for society. It is important to note that in this respect he is no different from R. A. I. Kook (and many others) who in several places speaks this way about halakhah. But for Zemer this is a sufficient foundation to demand changing halakhah whenever there is a contradiction between it and morality (or even where the halakhah in question lacks a moral basis, even if it is not anti-moral). If the purpose of halakhah is moral, then it naturally follows that where it does not align with moral values—or even does not realize them (is indifferent to them)—it should be changed.[2]

His Orthodox counterparts, those who also identify halakhah with morality, accept the same (problematic—and in my view actually refuted) premise, but nevertheless refrain from changing halakhah with various pretexts. They explain that we lack authority, or alternatively that at the foundation of halakhah lies a morality deeper than we understand (not eating pork, redeeming a firstborn donkey, or wearing tzitzit, in their opinion, apparently elevate the world to sublime moral heights, and slaying Amalek or not saving a gentile on Shabbat are the ultimate moral mandates), and the meticulous add that contemporary morality is ephemeral fashion, and the like.

All these are, of course, very unconvincing arguments. In that sense, the approach that identifies halakhah as the framework of Jewish morality is indeed inherently Reform, despite Orthodox attempts to evade this conclusion. By contrast, yours truly has written more than once that he adopts an approach that disconnects halakhah from morality and does not recognize a “Jewish morality.” There is one morality for Jew and non-Jew alike; what is moral is moral and what is not is not—regardless of what halakhah says about it and regardless of whether you are a Jew or a non-Jew. Therefore, I also do not see clashes between morality and halakhah as contradictions but at most as situations of conflict. For me, there is no principled theoretical problem with a halakhic directive that is not moral (or a-moral—such laws also contradict the approach that identifies halakhah with morality). But indeed in such cases a practical conflict arises about how to act. I will recall what I have explained more than once: despite the above, where there are two possible paths within halakhah, it is legitimate and desirable to choose the one that accords with moral values (at least as a practical criterion for how to act, even if it is not necessarily the correct halakhic interpretation). Still, in my opinion, there is a disconnect—or at least non-dependence—between these two systems.[3]

It is important to understand that if one conceives the aims of halakhah as purely moral, then there is no principled difference between Jew and non-Jew regarding their tasks in the world. The non-Jew too must be moral, and, as noted, there is no real difference between “Jewish morality” and non-Jewish morality. According to such approaches, it is altogether unclear what the meaning of religion and halakhah is beyond simply being a decent human being. Such a conception empties faith and halakhic commitment of content.[4] I have not even raised the question of efficacy—namely whether halakhic commitment in fact creates more moral people and societies. In my opinion, it does not. What does that say about the justification for adhering to halakhah in such a case?

Zemer argues there that halakhic authorities often tried to align halakhah with morality and even employed creative interpretations to that end, and from this he finds justification for his Reform path. I would say that there is no doubt there is truth in these claims, but in my opinion they do not prove his principled conclusion. Such phenomena do not show that the aims of halakhah are only moral values, but rather that, as far as possible, halakhic authorities try to resolve practical conflicts between halakhah and morality. The implication of the difference between his view and mine is in cases where this cannot be done. In other words: is it justified to bend or nullify halakhah solely because it is immoral (at least by contemporary morality), as Zemer—consistently with his view—proposes? (So too R. Kook and his like ought to have conceded.) Despite my midrashic conservatism, my answer is: absolutely not. Halakhah aims at religious goals and not moral ones (certainly not only moral goals). Therefore, when it conflicts with morality, that alone is not sufficient ground to change it. This point recurs in almost all the arguments in Zemer’s book.

At the beginning of my book Mahalkhim Bein Ha-Omdim (“Walking Among the Standing”) I pointed out that this is certainly true where halakhic principles are written in the Torah itself and the contradiction with morality is inherent (not incidental). A few examples of such situations are killing an Amalekite infant, forcing separation between a priest and his wife if she was raped, or declaring children from prohibited unions mamzerim barred from marriage. My presumption is that the Torah itself, in its command, expresses a decision in favor of halakhah and against morality. In such cases the conflict is resolved by the Torah itself, for it surely took the moral aspect into account and nevertheless gave the halakhic directive (if in such cases morality were to override halakhah, that halakhah would be emptied of content and the biblical command would be inapplicable and unclear). It is therefore implausible to nullify such laws on moral grounds, though they can certainly be limited (“you have only what is novel,” and “do not add upon it”). As we shall see, for Zemer this is sufficient to change or nullify the halakhah (and, as noted, this ought also to be the case for his Orthodox partners in the view on halakhah-morality relations).

Between Motivation and Justification

Later in that section, Zemer brings several tools from the halakhic toolbox—most of which, it seems to me, do not assist his aims. In this section I will sharpen another substantive point that recurs in almost all his examples.

Take as an example the first sugya he treats: derishat lashon hedyot (Bava Metzia 104a and elsewhere). The Gemara reports that Hillel wished to permit mamzerim, and therefore expounded the contract language used in ketubot in Alexandria: “When you enter the bridal canopy, be my wife,” meaning that the betrothal takes effect only when she enters the huppah.[5] Hillel the Elder thus voided the kiddushin of women who married others before entering the huppah with the first man. But this sugya does not actually prove what Zemer wants from it. Hillel interpreted the text of the ketubah and took it seriously, thereby voiding kiddushin. But the ketubah is truly a contractual commitment between the parties, and halakhah sees it that way. Therefore, if it contains a condition that cancels the kiddushin, there is room to void them if the condition was not fulfilled. The fact that Hillel’s motivation was to purify mamzerim is unrelated to the justification for voiding the kiddushin.

The conflation of motivation with the halakhic tools for implementing it is a common error in discussions like this. Even if a decisor has moral and value-based motivations to change halakhah, if he is conservative rather than Reform he is supposed to use tools that hold water to do so—and not play games and knead the halakhah as he pleases without real halakhic justification. The value motivation by itself is not sufficient justification on the halakhic plane. This is one of the salient differences between a Reform approach and midrashic conservatism. We may pose it thus: would Hillel have voided kiddushin in order to abolish mamzerut altogether from Israel? If the ketubah had not been worded in a way that could be expounded thus, I am convinced Hillel would not have done so—despite the motivation, which would of course have existed then as well. The Gemara there implies this clearly. The Reform proponent hangs his case on motivation; for him it suffices to justify halakhic change. He does not seek a conservative midrash that would justify it with halakhic tools.

Apropos this sugya, Zemer often leans on Prof. Yitzhak Gilat’s book Perakim Be-Hishtalshelut Ha-Halakhah (“Studies in the Development of Halakhah”), both on the matter of derishat lashon hedyot and throughout the book. When Gilat’s book was published it made a great splash (or, as R. Nahman would put it: “a great noise in Heaven”), for he—a Hebron Yeshiva alumnus in his “criminal” past—put squarely on the table the claim that halakhah develops and changes across the generations, and he demonstrated this from the halakhic sources themselves through scholarly (academic) analysis. I recall the reviews and commotion that the book aroused across the rabbinic world, which of course immediately prompted me to go and buy it (and this was before I became a certified and licensed heretic). When I read the book—something most reviewers obviously did not do—I discovered a nuance that the critics usually missed. As far as I saw, Gilat throughout his book does not argue that moral motivation was the basis for halakhic change. He is careful, more than once, to say that such motivation was what spurred the Sages to seek halakhic mechanisms (a conservative midrash, in my parlance) to effect the change.

For example (also discussed by Zemer), Gilat treats the rule “the Sabbatical year in our time is rabbinic,” and shows that this conception crystallized only in later sugyot—those formed after the destruction. He thus hypothesizes that the motivation was various hardships of farmers and the public after the destruction. But I saw that he indeed writes that this determination came to resolve economic and social distress, yet he carefully avoids writing that the distress was its justification. It was the trigger to seek and interpret the Torah and to reach the conclusion that the Sabbatical year today is rabbinic and thus there is room to be lenient. Were it not for the distress, the Sages would not have sat over the matter and would not have discovered that the Sabbatical year today is rabbinic; but the distress by itself is not sufficient ground for that determination.

This fundamental distinction between motivation and the halakhic tool on which the change is based escaped most of Gilat’s reviewers, and it is also what lies at the root of my dispute with Zemer and Reform generally. Zemer interpreted Gilat exactly like his Orthodox critics did—as though motivation were the basis for the change. Only the critics concluded that this makes Gilat Reform and thus heretical and untouchable, while Zemer concluded that he is Reform and thus one may rely on him. Note that—as in many other cases—both sides err, even in the same error. Gilat was not Reform (whether one likes Reform or not), because for him change requires a halakhic tool that holds water (a conservative midrash), and without it one cannot implement it. Distress may at most be a motivation to search for and deploy such tools.

This is precisely the watershed between Reform and midrashic conservatism, and it threads through all the critiques of Gilat’s book as well as all the arguments in Zemer’s. Arguments for change in halakhah without a conservative midrash are Reform. Arguments grounded in a conservative midrash are conservative. Of course one may debate the legitimacy of conservative midrash as such, or the validity of a specific conservative midrash, but that is not my concern here. My discussion is whether it is legitimate (conservative), not whether it is correct and should be accepted.

This important distinction resembles the distinction between the context of discovery and the context of justification in philosophy of science. There is a big difference between the motivation to search for a theory, or even to believe in it, and the empirical-scientific justification for it. I may believe a theory for various reasons, and perhaps it is convenient for me to believe it, but as long as it lacks justification in scientific-empirical terms, it cannot be accepted at the scientific level. No one will accept a justification for a scientific theory X on the basis that so-and-so’s intuition says it is true, or because it benefits us in some way—even if that benefit is value-laden and worthy.

Rabbinic Enactments (Takkanot Ḥakhamim)

His next example is the “penitents’ enactments.” As is known, the Sages enacted several measures to ease the path of those returning a stolen item and doing repentance. One is the “beam” enactment (Gittin 55a), which concerns a person who stole a beam and built a house and integrated it into the structure. If we require him to return the very beam as halakhah demands (as Bet Shammai rule), that will deter him from repenting. Therefore, the Sages (Bet Hillel) enacted that the beam remains his and he may compensate the victim monetarily. Zemer uses such enactments as a basis to say that one may change laws for moral, value, and social reasons.

Here the problem differs from that of the previous section. Indeed, the Sages can enact takkanot for reasons that seem correct to them, and for this they do not even need to perform a conservative midrash. A conservative midrash is intended to justify changing a biblical law (or a different application in new circumstances). A rabbinic decree or enactment operates via a different mechanism. The Sages are not changing biblical law but adding a rabbinic layer and displacing the biblical law (by instructing passivity, and sometimes even actively). This is an authority granted to them by the Torah, and it does not require a conservative midrash. It suffices that the Sages have a motivation (such as easing repentance, preventing prohibitions, or some value consideration). There are several sources for the authority given to the Sages to enact takkanot (based solely on motivation), such as “make a fence for My fence,” or “you shall not turn aside,” and the like. Moreover, the Rambam at the start of Hilkhot Mamrim also explains that the Sages must state that this is a rabbinic addition and not a biblical law, so that we not be confused.

Why is this important? Because although the Sages indeed have such authority, and takkanot do not require conservative midrash but only motivation (like a value justification), that authority is vested only in the forum or institution to which “you shall not turn aside” applies—namely, the Great Court (Sanhedrin). Note that what Zemer proposes is not the addition of takkanot but the change of biblical laws without backing of a conservative midrash. He explains that such-and-such a law is not relevant today and therefore is null—and he is not proposing an enactment that circumscribes it. This touches on our basic commitment to halakhah itself, not to time-bound additions. Therefore, rabbinic enactments cannot support his practical proposals. One may ask, of course, what I would say if Zemer were proposing this as takkanot and not as halakhic change. In that hypothetical case, indeed, motivation would suffice and no conservative midrash would be needed—but then the crux would be questions of authority, not substance: whether today one may dispute the Talmud or add takkanot without a Great Court and without broad public consensus (like that which created commitment to the Talmud’s authority). In any case, this does not seem to be Zemer’s claim, since he speaks about the original halakhah, not about adding later enactments and decrees.

This is another point distinguishing Reformism from midrashic conservatism. For the midrashic conservative, to implement change requires a conservative midrash (for biblical laws) or a duly authorized institution that can enact takkanot (for rabbinic laws, where one does not need a conservative midrash but only motivation). For the Reform approach, our own consideration suffices (as we saw in the previous section, motivation replaces halakhic justification). From a conservative perspective, precedents based on takkanot and decrees of the Sages are irrelevant for changing biblical laws at all, and for enacting new rabbinic measures in our day. And these are, after all, the matters at issue in the debate with Reform.

“It Is a Time to Act for the Lord”

His next discussion is the rule of “It is a time to act for the Lord” (Berakhot 63a and elsewhere), by virtue of which Rabbi [Judah the Prince] permitted writing down the Oral Torah (for fear it would be forgotten).

Rashi (Yoma 69a) explains it thus:

When the time comes to do something for the sake of the Holy One, blessed be He, it is permitted to override the Torah.

This is already seemingly closer to our topic. True, here too it concerns a Sanhedrin enactment (Rabbi), and in that sense this path is not open to us, for the reasons explained in the previous section. But if it were a simple enactment, there would be no need to invoke this verse and fashion from it a special rule. Every rabbinic decree and enactment is, in this sense, a “time to act for the Lord” (departing from the law for God’s sake). It appears this is not a rule that grounds enactments but a directive open to sages in every generation, even where there is no authorized institution and no ordained sages. Perhaps it concerns a kind of “transgression for the sake of heaven,” or freezing laws temporarily (which can, of course, be prolonged—indeed in my book Mahalkhim Bein Ha-Omdim I proved that this possibility is not conditioned on ordination and a Sanhedrin[6]), and perhaps even past nicht (procedural inappropriateness) considerations. Such a mechanism indeed exists within the midrashic-conservative framework I described here, but its application is limited to heavy, clear moral problems and to significant consensus among the sages of the generation. Uprooting wide swaths of halakhah by this mechanism seems highly problematic—though this is indeed a question of degree, not essence.

To this family of principles one may also attach the rules “Better that Israel eat meat of animals that died [but were] ritually slaughtered, than that they eat meat of animals that died as carrion” (Kiddushin 21b–22a)—that is, better to minimize transgression. This is a problematic rule and I shall not enter it here. It is unclear whether it is a halakhic rule or an extra-halakhic directive for the decisor (see on this in my essay for Parashat Ḥayyei Sarah, Midah Tovah, 5767). On the face of it, it seems to be guidance for deciding in a conflict between halakhah and morality or between halakhah and extra-halakhic considerations; accordingly, it does not change halakhah itself but instructs practical behavior in a specific situation. In any case, it is capitulation to weakness, not changing halakhah for extra-halakhic value principles.

So too the dispensations for exigent circumstances that he cites belong to a similar category. Halakhah is full of leniencies in cases of duress, but this is not a directive to change the law; it is a dispensation born of capitulation to hardship. The same applies to the dignity of creatures, to leniencies “on account of suffering,” “on account of enmity,” and the like. None of these is a rule for changing halakhah, but for specific applications in times of hardship. Moreover, these rules too have halakhic definitions (albeit not unequivocal) of when they apply and when not; thus, it is hard to see in them a basis for sweeping Reform change.

This sort of rule is, of course, legitimate also within the midrashic-conservative picture—but with different degrees and scopes. Therefore, here there is indeed no substantive logical difference between Reform and midrashic conservatism. According to both approaches, such arguments can be accepted, though there will likely be differences in degree and extent.

The Examples in the Body of the Book

The principles discussed in his opening section form the basis of the book’s claims, and having dealt with them I am exempt from discussing the specific proposals. Still, I will bring a few examples to illustrate the points.

Chapter 3 deals with yibbum and ḥalitzah. He opens with a heart-rending depiction of the woman’s status and morally and ethically troubling situations that these principles create (agunah, extortion by the ḥalitzah-performers, and more). After that he gives a general introduction to the topic, and then leaps to the sweeping claim that was adopted as a resolution of the Reform rabbis’ conference in Augsburg (1871):

The commandment of ḥalitzah has lost its importance, since the circumstances that obligate yibbum and ḥalitzah no longer exist. The idea underlying this law is foreign to our religious and social outlook. Not performing ḥalitzah is no obstacle to the widow’s remarriage.

He brings this without really explaining what that underlying idea is and why today it is not relevant to their religious and social outlook (and whence that outlook derives). The feeling is that for them it suffices to say “this does not speak to us” or “it seems foreign,” in order to nullify severe laws of matters of marital relations. You will not find there a conservative midrash—not even a modern one (that builds on changed values). A sense of rejection and alienation suffices as a substitute for conservative midrash. The law is void because it doesn’t sit well with them, period.

Finally, he brings a few highly questionable attempts at explanation—but they at least purport to present a conservative midrash. For example, that the laws of ḥalitzah and yibbum presume that the woman is her husband’s property (his chattel), which is not relevant today. Where is this seen? I did not grasp (and I do not agree in any case). It is evident that the “conservative midrash” need not be particularly cogent in order to cancel a law. And it is no wonder that, beyond several Reform rabbis he cites there, most do not resort to rationales and conservative midrash at all, for even those who bring them do so as a façade. There is an apparent similarity to midrashic conservatism, but the poor quality and thin grounding of the “midrash” indicates an essential difference (a tactical use of what appears to be a conservative midrash).

In the following chapter he turns to the prohibition on a priest marrying a divorcée. Here the situation is different, for there is a fairly reasonable conservative midrash according to which this prohibition is connected to Temple service, which does not exist in our time; and the status of the divorcée today is not what it was in the biblical and Talmudic eras. Beyond this he raises the question of priestly lineage today, which also casts doubt on these prohibitions. In principle this is a legitimate and even fairly plausible conservative midrash, and thus it deserves serious discussion. I will not do so here, since my aim is only to show that even if proposals are raised by a Reform rabbi, that does not necessarily mean the proposals are Reform.[7] This is the distinction between substance and sociology that has accompanied us in these columns. Clearly for Zemer this does not take him out of the Reform camp, for in his view one can change laws even where there is no reasonable conservative midrash (merely because they are immoral, for example). But the argument itself is certainly worth discussion.

The last example I’ll bring here is the question of mamzerut (Chapter 5). Here too he opens with heart-rending descriptions of difficult situations caused by the laws of mamzerut. After an introduction to those laws, he turns to discussing changing them. In the bottom line he proposes change solely on the basis of the moral difficulty (children suffering a very severe penalty for their parents’ sin). The precedents he cites permitted cases of mamzerut by halakhic arguments that held water (even if disputed and debatable). But he proposes to abolish mamzerut entirely. Again we see that moral motivation suffices, in his view, to change halakhah with no need for a conservative midrash. For if we seek to build a suitable conservative midrash, we would have to explain why in the time of the Torah and the Sages marriage restrictions on mamzerim were imposed, and what has changed today that makes the prohibition irrelevant. But you will not find this in his words. At most he points to greater need (for example, his claim that in the USSR there was no way to separate in accordance with “Moses and Israel,” which created a widespread problem of mamzerut). All these are considerations of need—that is, pointing to motivations to seek a heter. But conservatism demands justification by halakhic tools. Motivations, however worthy, are not conservative midrashim.

I note that if one conceives the goal of halakhah as the realization of moral values, then one can understand why such a profoundly immoral outcome is unacceptable. But that proves the point: that was the case in the past as well, and yet the Torah and the Sages prohibited mamzerim from entering the assembly. The upshot is that halakhah likely has aims beyond morality; therefore, pointing to a moral problem does not suffice to ground halakhic change. Beyond that—or perhaps as a result—the moral motivation, understandable and legitimate though it is, cannot be the tool on which to base the proposed change. This is a quintessentially Reform argument, and it differs sharply and clearly from midrashic conservatism.

Conclusion

I will not continue, like a peddler, to deal with all of Zemer’s examples, for the ones discussed suffice to clarify the principle. His motivations are desirable and, in most cases, acceptable to me as well. But for me, motivations are not enough, and one who is committed to halakhah cannot suffice with them as the sole basis for change. Implementing changes in this way means there is no commitment to halakhah: you do what seems morally right to you and then call it “halakhah.” Commitment entails dilemmas and paying prices. In the end, the feeling is that a Reform rabbi is never truly in a dilemma or conflict. If the halakhah is not moral, then in his view it simply does not exist. In this he differs essentially from all the rabbinic precedents on which he himself relies, for they all acted within a framework of conflict—that is, out of distress and tension between halakhah and morality and social reality—and they sought ways to address that tension. I have written more than once that a conflict between halakhah and morality can exist only for one who is independently committed to both components, halakhah and morality. One who is not committed to one of them will not experience conflict, even if he for some reason chooses to present it that way. The Reform framework does not include commitment to halakhah—that is, conservatism—of any kind. Halakhah is a kind of discourse, folklore, but not truly binding. This differs from the Conservatives, as I have noted more than once in these columns.

I will conclude by stressing that it is very important to me that the motivations of Zemer and his colleagues be important also to halakhically conservative (Orthodox) figures. Even where there is no solution, it remains important that we possess moral and value sensitivity. And at times when there is such awareness and sensitivity—that is, when there is motivation—we succeed more in finding halakhic tools that justify and enable change. Of course, unlike the Reformers, this will not always be the case. Within a conservative framework (that is, one committed to halakhah), there will be situations in which the motivation indeed exists, but we will not find tools that allow us to implement a change in practice.

And to the listener, may it be pleasing…

[1] My impression is that very few of them truly know how to learn (and those who do are usually alumni of Orthodox yeshiva education). In the responsa I have read, for some reason they all end by thanking Prof. David Golinkin, and to my impression he is the one who anchored all those responsa in halakhic sources. In short, it seemed to me he was the only one there who knows how to learn.

[2] Here a conservative midrash is called for as a result of a change in values.

[3] There can be a practical difference between the two conceptions. If I see morality as an interpretation of the intention of halakhah itself, then when the moral interpretation is less plausible in terms of the halakhic source, there is no justification to choose it. But if morality is a way to decide practical action between two interpretations (and not a decision as to which is halakhically correct), then there is room to choose it even if that interpretation is inferior to its competitor. To take a non-moral step requires high certainty that this is indeed the halakhic directive. This of course requires further elaboration.

[4] To complete the picture, I note that in my book Ha-Matzui Ha-Rishon (“The First Existent”) I argued that it is implausible that morality is the goal of creation and Torah, for morality is an instrument for creating a functioning society and refined persons; were that the goal, God could simply not have created humankind and there would be no need to refine them. I therefore concluded there must be values outside creation that are its goal, and morality is a means to a functioning society capable of acting for those values. I called them there “religious values,” and argued that halakhah directs us toward them (and not toward morality).

[5] Incidentally, this is a wonderful precedent for voiding kiddushin by means of a condition—something that today is rejected by all decisors, even when one makes an explicit condition and not merely expounds “layman’s wording.” One should connect this to Zemer’s discussions at the end of the chapter on hafqa‘at kiddushin (annulment) and conditions in kiddushin, which likewise cannot ground his proposals for the reasons I explain above.

[6] See also here, here, and here; a reminder in column 275, and more.

[7] For a similar proposal of mine, see my article on the status of a convert regarding marriage and public office. There I argued that the foundation of the prohibition lies in the convert’s low social standing—that is, a concession to an unworthy state. Accordingly, when the situation returns to being worthy, there is room to change those laws (including biblical ones). I even brought proofs from the sources.

Discussion

Doron (2022-05-31)

Thank you for the column.
The question is a bit beside the point, but still…
How do you distinguish, if at all, between the Reform outlook and the common secular-Jewish outlook prevalent in Israel?
As stated, I’m not asking a sociological question, but a purely ideological and value-based one.

Tirgitz (2022-05-31)

Both convincing and beautifully written.
But one may question whether an adequate conservative midrash is really needed. This issue came up before, including in the comments on earlier columns, and I’m returning to it because it was not explained there why. If I conclude statistically (let us assume for the moment) that Hazal found themselves in very few conflicts with halakhah, and I also assume (apparently in line with your assumptions in the columns) that the Holy One, blessed be He, in His Torah presumably did not include many anti-value laws, then the conclusion is that there exists some interpretive path by which there will be almost no conflicts. So why is there a need to find one explicitly? Three questions. A. Is such a statistic plausible, or can one not draw inferences across different value-worlds? B. If the statistic is plausible, is a conjecture about what is true enough even without knowing how it is arrived at (a non-constructive existence claim), or must one possess a valid inference (otherwise it is just magical thinking)? C. From where does one quarry answers to such meta-questions?
In response to a comment on a previous column, you answered that one must present a valid midrash. And from an earlier response I understood that you did not rule out the possibility that a future Sanhedrin would cancel products of derashah without knowing the rules of derashah, on the assumption that if they knew the rules they would already derive a different derashah. Could you clarify your view on the matter and why?
This doubt is essentially claiming that motivation is enough and there is no need to present a conservative midrash, because if there is motivation then in all likelihood the midrash exists somewhere.

Ia (2022-05-31)

There is also (Rabbi?) David Halivni and Shamma Friedman, and about Golinkin I read in a book by the rabbi’s friend,
Rabbi David Sperber, who brings responsa in his name; and regarding David, see David’s Wikipedia entry, which Rabbi Sperber also praised him in.

Michi (2022-05-31)

The secular person does not engage in halakhah and is not interested in it. The Reform Jew ostensibly speaks in halakhic language and is committed, to some degree or another, to halakhah, but in a flexible and non-absolute way. In the first column (in the section “Between a Midrashic Conservative and a Heretic”) I mentioned that in my article cited there I explained the difference between a Reform Jew and a heretic by way of the sorites paradox.

Michi (2022-05-31)

I did not understand what this list is doing here. Is there some comment or question here?

Michi (2022-05-31)

Even if Hazal had few conflicts, we have more. The question is a principled one, and therefore even a few conflicts suffice to prove a disconnect between the categories (halakhah and morality). In particular, there are far more non-moral laws (not anti-moral ones). I do not think one can assume there is an interpretive path without pointing to it, especially regarding non-moral laws, which are numerous.

I do not remember the discussion there about invalidating the product of a derashah without knowing the methods of derashah. I can only say that every derashah also contains reasoning, and therefore if the reasoning has changed one can cancel the existing midrashic product. But in order to create a new midrashic product, motivation alone is not enough without an explicit midrash.

The Similar and the Different (2022-05-31)

31/5/22

The view proposed here—that Hazal have no authority in the sphere of values, and that does not accept Maimonides’ Thirteen Principles of Faith—is not ‘Orthodoxy,’ and it is trying to mislead the public by calling itself ‘Modern Orthodoxy,’ a label reserved for students of Rabbi Joseph Dov Soloveitchik.

Within the non-Orthodox movements, the Reform have a great advantage in honestly ‘calling a child by its name.’ They say openly that the ‘principle of equality’ overrides everything, and therefore the prohibition on marrying members of other nations should be regarded as immoral.

The ‘conservative midrash’ also supports this approach. Originally the gentiles were idol worshipers, and there was concern that ‘they will turn away our descendants.’ Today there is no real zeal for ‘idolatry,’ and there is no concern that the gentile spouse will ‘turn away’ his or her children from seeing Judaism as a source of inspiration. On the contrary, the combination of the Christian and Jewish roots of the descendants creates original and fruitful blends.

Within this blessed ‘multiculturalism,’ there is also room for an ‘Orthodox-Orthodox’ couple, combining markers of Greek Orthodoxy with Jewish Orthodoxy. Thus, for example, the spiritual leader of the ‘Orthodox-Orthodox’ community could grow a beard and a ponytail in the Greek Orthodox manner, but wear a frock coat and a Hamburg hat (or a knitted kippah), in the Jewish Orthodox manner.

With blessings, Shimsharion Lewingopoulos, Patriarch Metropolitan, of the ‘Orthodox-Orthodox’ community, in the holy city of Antioch, may it be rebuilt and established

Correction (2022-05-31)

Paragraph 4, line 1
… there is also room for a couple…

Tirgitz (2022-05-31)

A. That is, the importance of pointing to the interpretive path is only so that we know it exists and is plausible, and not because there is some special principle in halakhah that one must know the reason. [Perhaps evidence for this is that the Gemara uses techniques like mima nafshakh—in either case one has fulfilled one’s obligation—or one is permitted to do such-and-such. We do not know exactly what the halakhic reason is, but we know what the conclusion is.] I thought that by virtue of your view of autonomy against wagering, you would say that this is not a valid halakhic approach.

B. It is embedded within long discussions in the responsa called Masekhet Hagigah (https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%9B%D7%AA-%D7%97%D7%92%D7%99%D7%92%D7%94). I will quote the wording for the sake of the discussion:

* Rabbi Michi: It is not reasonable to disagree with someone without being able to understand him. However, I can imagine a situation in which a future Sanhedrin reaches a point where it lacks understanding of derashot, but it seems to them that many required changes in halakhah are needed. It may perhaps decide to carry them out without understanding the methods of derashah for the exigencies of the hour. Perhaps only temporarily.
* Question: Perhaps one can in fact disagree. For one might, for example, diagnose a statistical claim that Hazal’s derashot tend very strongly to align with their moral/conceptual outlook in general. Then, if someone were to claim that he disagrees with them on the moral/conceptual level, he could assume that if he knew the methods of derashah he would derive a different derashah that likewise corresponded fairly well to his moral/conceptual outlook. That strikes me as entirely plausible. Is that enough to make a change? Or is it more “magical thinking” than relying on what has already emerged from Hazal’s secret mechanism?
* Rabbi Michi: Possible

Michi (2022-05-31)

A. Definitely.
B. In my first answer I assume that there is no way to make a change without knowing the midrash, except perhaps by way of an enactment that uproots a Torah law. That is of course possible, for every enactment or decree uproots Torah law in a certain sense, and as I wrote here, one does not need an interpretive midrash for a rabbinic law.
As for what you proposed, I think it may perhaps be possible in principle, but one would have to see a concrete case. Usually such a path does not seem plausible to me. In any case, such a consideration can be characterized as conservative, since it assumes the existence of a midrash even if it does not point to it explicitly.

Halakhic Innovation without 'Thunder and Lightning' (2022-05-31)

And apropos the real ‘Modern Orthodoxy’ of the rabbis of the United States—the decisor whose innovative rulings paved the way for observant Jews in the U.S. to integrate into modern activity was דווקא an openly ‘Haredi’ rabbi and a member of the Moetzet Gedolei HaTorah of Agudath Israel, namely Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, of blessed memory.

Likewise, people of Religious Zionism, who needed halakhic guidance for their integration into all fields of activity—agriculture and industry, technology and medicine, education and security—directed and still direct their questions to the leading halakhic decisors of the generation; and in finding halakhic solutions to the problems of life, there is no significant difference between ‘Zionists’ and ‘Haredim.’ Rabbi Ovadia Yosef and Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu, Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach and the Tzitz Eliezer, and Rabbi Tzvi Pesach Frank—all grappled with and found innovative solutions to halakhic problems no less than openly ‘Zionist’ rabbis.

At the end of the day, it is specifically a ruling well anchored in the tradition of halakhic decision-making of Hazal, the Rishonim, and the Aharonim that may be accepted by a broad public and have influence. Lofty talk about ‘adapting frozen halakhah’ to our modern values sometimes achieves the opposite by arousing suspicion. The more the decisor is focused on deep study of the halakhic literature without ideological tendentiousness, the greater his chances of finding well-founded innovations.

With blessings, Elazar Ahikar Habad"rashi

A. Y. A. (2022-05-31)

A note on

[1] Admittedly, my impression is that very few of them really know how to learn (and even they are usually graduates of Orthodox yeshiva education). In the responsa I read, for some reason they all end up thanking Prof. David Golinkin, and my impression was that he is the one who anchored all those responsa in halakhic sources. In short, it seemed to me that he was the only one there who knows how to learn.

In Short (2022-05-31)

In short:
True ‘Orthodoxy,’ in its precise sense of “right belief,” whose foundations of faith and values are firmly rooted in the Written Torah and the received tradition, accompanied by true ‘conservatism,’ a careful preservation of the methods of halakhic decision-making taught us by Hazal and the sages of the generations—

these are what make possible ‘re-form’ in its true sense—a ‘new form’—the cultivation of forms of life that are more comfortable, pleasant, and refined, while standing firmly on solid and stable foundations of faith and values. Thus we will build our lives on the Torah of Israel and not on ‘Plasticine Torah’ 🙂

With blessings, A.A.H.E.

Remove the Hyphen between 'Modern' and 'Orthodox' (2022-05-31)

The success of the real Modern Orthodoxy of the United States comes from its ability to distinguish between the sacred and the secular. The contribution of modernity lies in improving practical life so as to make it more pleasant, comfortable, and safe. The modern ‘vessel’ is more convenient and more efficient,

but the content of faith and values—the ‘light’ for which the modern ‘vessel’ serves as a container—is the Torah, the old wine of the sages of the generations, Hazal and our early and later rabbis, the sages of Talmud and halakhah, and the masters of thought, ethics, Kabbalah, and Hasidism, whose understanding and explanation are aided by the broadened horizons of science and modern thought, but which do not presume to rise above the faith and values of the ancients.

Hazal, the Rishonim, and the Aharonim are our teachers; they are our compass in matters of faith, values, and halakhah. In the light of their thought and legacy, we know how to chart our course without self-effacement before the modern world and its glittering refinements. We may take ‘flowers’ from ‘Greek wisdom,’ but with them we will adorn and glorify the eternal values of our Torah.

With blessings, A.A.H.E.

Relatively Rational (2022-05-31)

Michi. I would note that in my opinion, when Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook and his son Rabbi Zvi Yehuda, or others of that approach, write that halakhah has a moral purpose, they do not mean this in a simplistic sense—that halakhah must conform to the basic moral principles we have in our heads. Rather, since halakhic law comes from the Holy One, blessed be He, from a divine command or at least inspired by a divine command—and God is wholly beneficent—then it is a first principle that in the end, in hidden depths, and even if we cannot say why, all of it is necessarily for the good of creation as a whole. And when the redeemer comes, we will know how to see, or he will explain to us, exactly why wiping out Amalek, laying tefillin, and not eating pork are moral in precisely the same way as “You shall not murder” or acts of kindness. And some of his students, and he himself as well, also argue that for some of the prohibitions and commandments one can already now find such reasons (Rabbi Sherki, for example, very much likes to quote rabbinic sayings and then bring a quotation from some philosopher and say something along the lines of: basic human intuition shows that such-and-such should be so, as our sages said; and he also sometimes likes to bring two sayings of the sages and connect them to ancient philosophical disputes. Sometimes—and this is done a lot, say, by Rabbi Aviner and Rabbi Eliyahu Zini—they also claim that in many cases the Torah is more moral than philosophy itself. Levinas, too, very much liked to speak about Jewish morality, about “the absolute other”).
Apologetics or excuses? Could be. I myself often wonder how solid a basis this genre has. But I think it should be emphasized that they do not mean that halakhah necessarily accords with morality from our point of view, or that its entire purpose is merely to refine and perfect the person so that he would be better or more loving toward others; rather, since these are divine commands, and as is emphasized in their teaching, the purpose of the Torah is to repair the whole world—there must be exalted morality there, sometimes hidden.

Michi (2022-05-31)

Of course. I did not think otherwise. Apologetics that doesn’t hold water.

Relatively Rational (2022-05-31)

And this is unlike the Reform, who claim that the purpose of halakhah is to improve the person, and to improve the person specifically according to current moral standards, and that the commandments are only an instrument for that and have no religious value in themselves. Presumably, then, halakhah needs to be fixed into a halakhah that is more fitting. Presumably the Reform also would not see the Torah as eternal and unchanging, nor as a source of authority.

Relatively Rational (2022-05-31)

Look, I think that broadly speaking this is very much a matter of semantics.
All in all, the claim that the Holy One, blessed be He, is eternally kind, that He wants all humanity and creation to be repaired, and that all wickedness will vanish like smoke—it is not at all far-fetched to assume that the world “works” in such a way that as many commandments as possible repair souls / bring the redemption closer, even if we do not know how or why.
The genre that tries to show how every commandment and every single midrash accords with human morality, elevates it, or ultimately bypasses and triumphs over it—that is more in the realm of derash, and probably also apologetics. Sometimes there is a substantive connection between the things; sometimes there is not. But overall, I think that even those people are aware that what they are saying is derash.

Avishai (2022-06-01)

I suggest to you a definition of conservatism in light of the above columns:
Reform—the halakhah is folklore; morality decides.
Conservatives—morality has authority above halakhah, but halakhah has secondary authority (when there is no clash).
Modern—equal authority.
Orthodoxy—morality has secondary authority to halakhah (it will try to prevent a clash, but halakhah takes precedence).
Ultra-Orthodoxy—there is no external morality that has authority outside halakhah.

Michi (2022-06-01)

Too simplistic and not precise. There are changes that are not connected to morality—current values or a current situation. Beyond that, the relation to morality is not dichotomous as you described. The halakhic core also responds to morality (the “fifth section of the Shulchan Arukh,” a sin for the sake of Heaven, etc.). But of course one can propose your classification. It is certainly relevant.

The Torah’s Morality Demands More (according to our Rosh Yeshiva) (according to our Rosh Yeshiva) (2022-06-01)

With God’s help, Monday, 2 Sivan 5782

The Torah has a basic universal morality embodied in the ‘Seven Noahide Commandments,’ which bring a person to be ‘decent’—not to steal, not to murder, and not to commit adultery. In the Ten Commandments there is also “You shall not covet,” which is already a unique demand made of the people of Israel.

Western morality also moves in this direction of ‘live and let live,’ but it has detached from itself the prohibition of adultery and incest, and as a result has also brought leniency regarding the prohibition of murder, permitting abortions so as not to limit sexual freedom, and permitting trade in children (under the euphemistic label ‘surrogacy’) for homosexuals. Of honoring parents and teachers, and the prohibitions of gossip, evil speech, and publicly shaming one’s fellow—the Western world has not heard; and “You shall not covet” the West has replaced with public exposure called ‘pride.’

But the Torah’s moral demand is far greater. It is a morality of love and brotherhood, of being ‘bashful, compassionate, and doers of kindness,’ and in the words of the prophet: “To do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God”—one need only read the lofty moral demands in Parashat Kedoshim. The Torah’s morality comes from a perspective of constant standing before the Creator; love of the Creator brings one to love of people, and fear of Him brings a person to noble, restrained, and dignified conduct.

Long live the profound difference between an egocentric morality in which man places himself at the center, and a morality of a human being subject to the Creator of the world and striving to be His faithful emissary.

With blessings, Amiuz Yaron Schnitzl"r

There Are Also Good Sides to Western Egocentricity (2022-06-01)

Western egocentricity also has useful aspects. When people seek lives of comfort and ease, there is much less motivation to go out to war. There is something positive in people not killing one another over various dubious ideals; on the other hand, even when there is a need to struggle for positive values, the Western person will prefer calm over a value-based struggle. Thus the English were ready to hand Europe over to the Nazis until they themselves were attacked, and thus the Americans did not care about the Nazis’ rampage until they were attacked.

Likewise, the Western person’s aspiration for a life of comfort and prosperity, including freedom and ‘self-realization,’ leads to the development of technology and medicine and to a rise in the standard of living. The Western person’s desire that society not ‘get into his veins’ may also make it easier for those who keep Torah and mitzvot to preserve their faith and way of life even as a minority in a secular society, except that Western society has a tendency to ‘set aside’ its values of freedom and multiculturalism when it comes to Torah-observant people and to exercise ‘liberal coercion’ against them 🙂

In short: one should take with a grain of salt the ‘enlightened morality’ that Western culture purports to offer, for it often turns into a ‘culture of ambush,’ in which it is permitted to harm, humiliate, and disgrace the other, and to replace physical violence with emotional and verbal violence. Thank God we have a firm moral compass: the words of our Torah and its sages, who clarify for us the straight path ‘in the eyes of God and man.’

With blessings, Hanoch Henach Feynshmaker-Palti

When Sociology Meets Essence (2022-06-02)

On [1]—they cannot know how to learn. Many of them are graduates of Solomon Schechter high schools or public schools, and they receive ‘rabbinic ordination’ at the end of an academic degree in ‘rabbinical studies’ that they do after college.

A Matter of Approach (2022-06-02)

With God’s help, Hod shebe-Malkhut, 5782

Some of the students of the Conservative seminary come from a yeshiva background, and even those who do not still study the literature of Hazal and halakhah for an academic degree. Even scholarly study requires extensive knowledge of the ‘material.’ The difference is one of approach. Where the Talmud or the commentators solve difficulties through subtle and profound distinctions, people of the academic school will prefer to assume that Hazal or the decisors changed earlier laws in order to adapt them to changing needs or newly emerging values—what they define as ‘positive-historical Judaism,’ which continually ‘updates’ itself to the spirit of the times.

With blessings, Elisaf Gershoni Bar-Tzuk

Y.D. (2022-06-02)

I am not a conservative. To the best of my understanding, the rabbi is not a conservative either (at all), and therefore the discussion here is unclear to me. I understand that the distinction between the two kinds of conservatives is nice, but it is for those to whom conservatism is important. What matters to me is the truth. If I believe in God and His commandments, I need to keep them. The Talmud, as the rabbi has clarified, has formal authority, and it is important to clarify different methods so that your talmudic intuition comes as close as possible to the truth.

Nor is the whole discussion about values clear to me. “Values,” to my mind, is a code-word for cultural relativism. I do not believe in relativism but in truth. A decisor, to my mind, should rule according to his truth, and from the standpoint of his truth a decisor can even uproot the Gemara. If the rabbi has ruled that in his view women count toward a minyan, then women count toward a minyan. If you say that the Gemara says only men count toward a minyan—well, the gates of answers have not been locked. I have no need whatsoever to begin arguing with the Gemara and adopt the relativistic discourse of values. If the Rosh uprooted an explicit Torah commandment of writing a Torah scroll and applied it also to Otzar HaHokhmah and the Responsa Project, as the Haredi in his world brings in his examples, because that is his Torah intuition, then our portion is no worse. And if the rabbi, from the standpoint of his Torah intuition, holds that the Gemara’s rule that women cannot testify no longer applies, then he should not deceive himself and say: these are the Gemara’s values but I have other values. That is in fact Reform and also Conservatism, as was revealed in the matter of traveling by car on Shabbat. And when the Torah is false and yields to every current value-fashion, it is also unconvincing and people abandon it (just as people are abandoning Reform and Conservatism). The power of the Torah comes from its truth, which comes from the intuition of the decisor or scholar, whose devotion to Torah makes them capable of it and thus reveals that their intuition is true. The discourse of values is false and renders everything opposite it valueless. If I believe in a value called “equality,” then I have to subordinate everything to it, including Torah and reason and health and security and countless other examples. That is imperialism, not a striving for truth. But equality, to my mind, is not a value but a truth, and as a truth it lives alongside other truths, such as that women are not identical to men, that women’s bodily interests are not identical to men’s bodily interests, and yet both kinds of interests are legitimate and should be respected. There are things in which the Torah equated men and women and things in which it did not, and sometimes what used to be considered a “no” is today a “yes” in accordance with our intuitions (which are not identical to values). What matters is the truth and a person should be honest with himself and say what the truth is in his eyes, not which values happen to dominate the market today.

On the Contrary (to Y.D.) (2022-06-02)

With God’s help, 3 Sivan 5782

To Y.D.—greetings,

On the contrary, the conception that the Torah’s values change ‘according to the spirit of the times’—that is ‘value relativism.’ The Torah’s values are eternal values, and who better than Hazal, who toiled day and night in the study of the Written Torah and the received tradition as faithful interpreters, both in the laws of the Torah and in its beliefs and values? Rabbi Ovadiah of Bertinoro already explained that Tractate Avot opens with “Moses received the Torah from Sinai and transmitted it…” to teach us that the sages’ words in matters of ethics and character as well are founded on the Torah from Sinai.

With blessings, Elisaf Gershoni Bar-Tzuk

When Sociology Meets Essence (2022-06-02)

Many of them come to the rabbinical training program with zero ability to read a paragraph of Gemara and with halakhic knowledge no greater than that of a ninth-grade girl in an ulpana, and they go on to become community rabbis functioning like the synagogue’s culture-and-society coordinator. The essence is crumbling for that reason as well. Interesting how long this will survive.
Even so, one can be grateful to them for still maintaining some segment of American Jewry somehow connected to Judaism, and for gathering the remote and the lost into their communities. Perhaps in this they have a specific historical role.

Tirgitz (2022-06-26)

Maybe there is another shade of midrashic conservatism that one could call vector conservatism. If the addressees of the command in the past were at level X and the command instructed them to advance to level X+5, one could argue that the principle is to advance by +5, and therefore today the command is to advance to X+10. The conservative midrashim you presented deal with finding the function given the command-points (there are various legal points; what is the principle that itself generates them), but they do not deal with the derivative (where the command-point stands relative to the previous point at which the addressees stood). Perhaps this is a slot that suits Reform. This is an argument hovering in discussions in various places, but it seems not to have been addressed explicitly in the columns (perhaps it is included in midrashic conservatism). What do you think?

Michi (2022-06-26)

There are such moves, for example regarding the attitude toward animals and the use of them (Rabbi Kook). But I do not think there is a conservative midrash there that claims something for changing halakhah. It only says what is morally proper to do. But in principle, if such a midrash were presented, it would certainly be a kind of conservative midrash.

Tirgitz (2022-06-26)

But why would “what is morally proper to do” not turn, by a conservative-vector magic wand, into a halakhic obligation? If the Torah prohibited cruelty to animals for population groups to whom this was really not very important, and demanded more of them, then today there is a biblical halakhic obligation to go one step further and also prohibit all use. Admittedly, the question of the boundary is not defined, but then the Reform decisor will come and estimate the size of the step the Torah demanded relative to its period, and then derive from the Torah a similar step relative to our period. Thus from the vector of regulating sacrifices one can move to abolishing them entirely; from the vector of granting rights to a slave one can move to abolishing slavery; from the obligation of the tithe one can move to an obligation of 38 percent; from restrictions on the beautiful captive woman one can move to full restrictions, that is, total prevention; and so on. Or in a completely general form, one could say that the Torah came to improve the theological, moral, and social situation relative to what had been, and therefore they too will improve relative to what had been (according to their view of what improvement is), and there is no need at all to discuss the Torah’s specific details, only the broadest benefits it sought to achieve relative to its time (by way of the reasons for the commandments in the Guide for the Perplexed).
If this is a kind of conservative midrash, then why is this not the missing slot of Reform?

Michi (2022-06-26)

As long as this is an interpretive claim, even if it does not seem plausible to you, it is not Reform.

Tirgitz (2022-06-26)

What do you mean it is not Reform? Do you mean that Reform is defined for you as heresy with no conservatism at all, and therefore any interpretive claim is not Reform? It seems to me that every Reform Jew would readily sign onto the definition of himself as a vector conservative, because in practice this frees him to do with the Torah as he wishes, and it seems that this provides a theoretical foundation for their whole enterprise.

Michi (2022-06-26)

Not true. There are a great many commandments for which there is no plausible way to present vector continuity. If one just presents a pseudo-midrash, then it is just nonsense. I am speaking about the attitude toward real arguments, not toward collections of words that do not hold water.

Tirgitz (2022-06-26)

But I also suggested a general midrash about the whole Torah. In the Guide for the Perplexed there is the idea that “the purpose of the Torah as a whole is twofold: the welfare of the soul and the welfare of the body… the welfare of the soul consists in the multitude being given correct opinions according to their capacity… the welfare of the body comes through the improvement of people’s ways of living with one another.” So one could say that in their time the original commandments were somehow suited to these improvements (one need not know exactly how), and today each decisor will decide how to achieve this “repair of the world” by means of other commandments.
Are you saying only that this does not hold water, or also that it does not seem to you to be the method underlying Reform, or that could underlie it (whether it holds water or not)?

Michi (2022-06-27)

I am saying both. It is highly implausible that all these commandments were intended to repair the world/society. At most that is ta‘ama de-kra, the reason for the verse, and even that is very shaky. And I also do not think that is what the Reform think. In my opinion they do not accept commitment to all the commandments at all, for they do not believe in Torah from Heaven, and a considerable portion of them do not believe in the Holy One, blessed be He, either.

Tirgitz (2022-06-27)

Accepted.

Asaf (2022-07-14)

Regarding the difference between motivation and tools, Rabbi Lichtenstein, of blessed memory, used to say about a certain type of criticism against rabbis (“If they wanted, they would change it”) that it is a bit like: “If you will it, it is no halakhah.” That sentence, coming from someone who was certainly not indifferent to distress, captures exactly the difference between one who thinks distress itself can be used as a basis for change, and one for whom the distress motivates him to look for a halakhic solution, including a creative or innovative solution, but still a halakhic one.

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