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What Is Modern Orthodoxy? Between Authority and Essence (Column 477)

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In the two previous columns I sketched a fairly detailed map of situations and mechanisms of halakhic change. Within that, I already hinted—at least regarding the legitimacy of those mechanisms, even if not regarding their ability to be inferred—that in my view modern Orthodoxy can and should move toward the characterization I want to propose now. Still, before that I must complete one more point: the question of authority. Until now I dealt mainly with the conceptual question of whether “conservative change” is possible (which sounds like an oxymoron). I tried to show that vis-à-vis the principle of the Torah’s eternity, change is indeed possible as long as the fundamental principle is preserved. But there is another question I have not tackled yet: namely, vis-à-vis the obligation to the Talmud (not vis-à-vis the Torah’s eternity). Here the issue is not the conceptual possibility of conservative change, but a formal halakhic question: how—and whether—it is possible to legislate against the Talmud. In the previous column I explained that the values of Hazal are not necessarily the Torah’s values, and that they wove their own values (drawn from various sources) into their interpretation of the Torah; hence there is no obstacle to our doing likewise. The obligation is to the Holy One, blessed be He, not to Hazal (except insofar as they interpret His will). Even if conceptually it is possible to disagree with them and yet remain faithful to the Torah and its Giver, there is a halakhic rule that obligates us to listen to them. I also touched on this when I distinguished between obligation to the bottom-line halakhic ruling and obligation to the underlying value structure. But the matter of authority still needs to be clarified to complete the picture.

The angle of authority: factual vs. value-based change

In prior columns I distinguished between two types of change:

  1. Halakhic change based on changed facts; and

  2. Halakhic change based on changed values.

I explained that when we deal with factual change, we are not opposing the Sages but merely applying their rules differently; whereas with value-based change, it looks like we are frontally disagreeing with them—and even if that is conceptually possible, the problem of authority arises here as well.

By way of brief introduction: Two sugyot address authority and the possibility of change in halakha. One (Beitzah 5a) states: “A matter enacted by a vote requires another vote to permit it”—meaning, if a law was decided by the Sanhedrin, changing it requires another Sanhedrin, not less. By contrast, Avodah Zarah 36a (and many parallels) says: “A court cannot annul the words of its fellow court unless it is greater than it in wisdom and in number.” From Rambam, beginning of Hilkhot Mamrim ch. 2, it emerges that he distinguishes: for de-Oraita matters the first rule applies, while for de-Rabbanan matters the second applies. That is, de-Oraita rulings decided by the Sanhedrin can be changed by a later Sanhedrin without needing to be greater in wisdom and number; but de-Rabbanan enactments can be changed only by a Sanhedrin greater in wisdom and number.

Moreover, at least for de-Rabbanan, the restricting rules apply even if the reason for the decree has lapsed. According to Rambam, even then a greater court is required; Raavad disputes this and holds it suffices to have a court by number (i.e., a Sanhedrin). Note the distinction between changed circumstances and the annulment of a decree’s reason (ta‘ama). When circumstances change such that the reason no longer applies, we might think the decree falls away; yet it appears that even halakhic change due to changed circumstances requires at least a formal court and perhaps even one greater in wisdom and number.

How does this square with what I described earlier? Conceptually a conservative change may be possible, but halakhically there seems no room—certainly for rulings decided by a Sanhedrin. Since we lack a Sanhedrin today, it would seem we cannot change or annul laws—even when circumstances have changed. And with value-based change, the difficulty is even sharper, for there we would be disagreeing halakhically with the decisors of earlier generations rather than merely applying their words to new circumstances. In the last column I argued that conceptually this is possible; but here I wonder about authority: can this be done without a Sanhedrin? I will divide the discussion into several sections, each taking a different angle.

Between annulment and changing the mode of application

First, an important clarification: changing circumstances is not identical to the lapse of a decree’s reason. When the reason lapses, that leads to annulling the decree—and then the authority constraints apply (a Sanhedrin greater in wisdom and number per Rambam, or at least a Sanhedrin per Raavad). But in the previous columns I dealt with cases where the reason does not lapse, only the application changes in light of the new circumstances.

The Talmud’s own example of a lapsed reason is decorating the markets of Jerusalem with fruit for the Regel (Beitzah 5a): after the destruction of the Temple, the reason for the decree no longer existed. That is an example of annulling a decree. By contrast, contemporary cases such as modest swimwear do not require annulling a decree, but properly applying it in the changed reality.

In the halakhic “mashal,” Meiri’s instruction to change our stance toward non-Jews in light of their improved moral conduct is a change in the application of both de-Rabbanan and even de-Oraita rules due to changed circumstances—and tellingly, he shows no anxiety over the absence of a Sanhedrin (14th century). Similarly, the prohibition of “lo titgodedu” (not to create separate courts/communities) once meant two courts in one city; today, the operative unit is a community rather than a city (often defined by origin, but not necessarily). Already in Talmudic times the place determined law regarding local custom; today, the social community does. As I have argued elsewhere (e.g., on joining a minyan via Zoom; on lighting Shabbat candles online), sometimes the relevant “place” is a website rather than geography. These are applications of existing rules to new circumstances, not annulling rules because their reasons lapsed. Therefore, one should not apply here the formal rules for changing enactments—neither for de-Oraita nor de-Rabbanan.

Annulment of enactments despite the formal rules

In my book (see chs. 8–10) I collected dozens of examples of decisors who did annul decrees and enactments when their reasons lapsed—not merely change applications—seemingly contrary to the Talmud’s authority constraints. I explained there that the Sages employed a range of doctrinal tools to enable such changes. For example, Rosh writes in a responsum (and in Tosafot ha-Rosh to Bava Metzia 90) that when the reason is manifestly clear, one may annul the enactment (he says this regarding ta‘ama di-kra even for de-Oraita). Others wrote that when continuing the law under new circumstances causes significant harm, it may be nullified. Others pointed to cases where the law’s reason is explicit (not just an interpretation), allowing purposive interpretation, and so on. I also added the mechanism of “freezing” laws and showed from Rambam that it is entrusted to courts of every generation.

In those chapters I explained the historical backdrop: after the loss of semikha and the Sanhedrin, we have been living through a millennia-long “historical accident.” A normative system cannot allow itself to ossify in the absence of the formal authority required for change. Over time, needs for substantive halakhic changes accumulate (and their number grows at an accelerating pace), and they all get stuck on authority. That is unreasonable, since all understand that the changes are necessary and the harms severe. Consequently, sages in every era (including our own) find and formulate indirect ways to circumvent the Talmud’s formal constraints on changing halakhot.

(Examples: Minyan Corona, post 69988, post 74852, post 8982.)

All this, however, can be said regarding factual changes. Those are shifts in reality that force us to adapt halakha, perhaps even to annul laws. What about value-based change? Here we are in open conflict with Talmudic and early rulings. It is neither a new application nor annulment due to new circumstances; it is simply disagreement with existing halakhot. The conceptual question (within a conservative frame) I already discussed. In such cases, the question of authority arises in full force: can we disagree with binding Talmudic law when we lack an authorized institution (a Sanhedrin) to do so?

Between the Talmud and the Sanhedrin

I have written several times that the Talmud does not have the same authority as the Sanhedrin. The Sages of the Talmud were not semukhim sitting in the Chamber of Hewn Stone; they lived and worked in Babylonia. Moreover, their authority does not derive from infallibility or sheer greatness, but from our acceptance of them upon ourselves (see Rambam, Mamrim ch. 1–2, on the halakhot cited above). The question is: what is the nature of that acceptance? Is there, in effect, a “lo tasur” with respect to Talmudic rulings? It is hard to argue so, since “lo tasur” applies only to a Sanhedrin of semukhim in Eretz Yisrael (except for the lone view of Sefer ha-Hinukh in mitzvah 496).

Thus it appears we are dealing with a different kind of obligation—not anchored in “lo tasur.” “Lo tasur” is a top-down authority (we are obligated from Above via the chain of semikha); our commitment to the Talmud is bottom-up, i.e., arising from communal acceptance (like mara de-atra, a community’s rabbi). If so, “the mouth that forbade is the mouth that permitted”: when the people are the source of an institution’s authority, the people can also modify its force.

Implications for value-based change

This dovetails with the previous column’s claim that our commitment to the Talmud is to the bottom line halakha, not necessarily to its value premises. If we are the ones who accepted Talmudic authority, the scope and limits of that acceptance are themselves subject to analysis—just as we saw in the Talmud’s attitude to the Mishnah and in the Rishonim/Aharonim’s attitude to the Talmud. It follows that the commitment does not necessarily apply where circumstances have changed and the underlying rationale no longer obtains; certainly we can set limiting rules for Talmudic authority similar to those Sages formulated for changing halakhot in every generation.

Beyond that, the background I sketched—centuries passing and the inability to challenge the Talmud blocking changes agreed to be necessary—might lead to the conclusion that, even if we are committed to the value infrastructure, that commitment is limited in cases where real harms are created and the sages of the current generation deem change necessary. It is unreasonable to harness halakha in perpetuity to a value system that prevailed in Babylonia 1,500 years ago, especially when contemporary values openly contradict it and conduct guided by it appears (not only to outsiders, but perhaps especially to insiders) bizarre and detached. Again: this is not merely hillul Hashem, but a substantive consideration (“for it is your wisdom and understanding,” Deut. 4:6).

In the previous column I explained that value-based considerations can operate in two different ways:

  1. New interpretation of the law in light of contemporary values; or

  2. Conflict between halakha and morality: the halakha stands, but morality—understood here as a category outside halakha—obligates a practical decision that may diverge in conduct.

The difference between these paths depends on whether halakha is grounded in moral values or in specifically religious values (I hold the latter). Even so, when there are genuine interpretive options, aligning interpretation with moral principles is not only possible but desirable. Where that is clearly impossible, the second path remains: an extra-halakhic moral decision.

As I noted there, we are not obligated to adopt Hazal’s moral values. Even if those values undergird some binding halakhic rulings, that does not compel us to embrace them as our ethical compass. In short: the fact that my values differ from Hazal’s does not mean I must cave. Halakhically I will submit; morally I will stand my ground—producing a conflict between halakha and morality. In comments I also distinguished between commitment to the form (the legal boundary) and to the value rationale—the former exists, the latter need not. The boundary is blurry, but real; the resulting description is a continuum without neat criteria, yet any honest observer will acknowledge this is the state of affairs.

Additionally, I argued that sometimes the original halakha did not rest on a distinctively Torah value but adopted a prevailing social value, and thus we cannot view that value as intrinsically halakhic. For example, the claim for qualifying women as witnesses because equality is today a crucial value: it may be that Hazal did not value inequality per se, they simply lacked the value of equality. If indeed the world now holds equality as a genuine value (not merely among non-Jews but among Jews as well), this could justify change.

Back to the question of authority

Bottom line: authority does indeed restrain our ability to change halakha—especially where the change is value-based. We cannot ignore the Talmud’s constraining rules. Sometimes we will have to refrain from change despite thinking it necessary, because of authority. But it is unreasonable to treat this as an absolute bar (and decisors throughout the generations did not). It does suggest that even if we do not require a Sanhedrin, significant consensus among contemporary sages should be expected before making value-based change. Such change is delicate and risky; it should not rest on the judgment of an isolated figure, however important.

In addition (and perhaps as a complement), a value-based change should be self-evident. This is not a matter of idiosyncratic moral taste. Where a practice is past nisht—i.e., unthinkable, plainly wrong—the value shift justifies halakhic change. That is precisely what past nisht means: not merely “unlikely” or “improper,” but inconceivable to act that way today. Again, this is not only about hillul Hashem but a substantive consideration (like R. Unterman’s “ways of peace”). In such a case one can invoke Rosh: the limiting rules (e.g., needing a greater court in wisdom/number, or even ta‘ama di-kra) do not apply. One might say that such a value shift counts as a kind of factual change: the contemporary world is substantively different from Hazal’s, warranting halakhic adaptation. Then I am not “arguing” with Hazal; I am convinced that if Hazal lived today they would say the same. In that case the change is not a disagreement but a new application to new circumstances. If, however, the value shift is not that unequivocal, then change would require a Sanhedrin and full adherence to the formal constraints—and is not possible today.

This complex picture brings us to the second half of the column: how to apply it in practice. How can we know what changes fit within legitimate midrashic conservatism and which go beyond it? Are there proposals we can reject as illegitimate even within such a flexible framework? My claim is yes. Before that, I will try to define modern Orthodoxy—against both non-modern Orthodoxy (for whom some midrashic-conservative moves will be unacceptable) and Reform (where certain moves are not conservative at all). For this I will draw on all the foregoing.

Defining modern Orthodoxy

The core problem peeking through my map is that all halakhic streams—from Haredi through modern Orthodox to Conservative—are, in practice, midrashically conservative. They differ in degree and ethos, but functionally they all engage in midrashic conservatism. Only Reform lies outside it.

What, then, is the principled difference between the three “conservative” streams or types of argument? One could say it’s just dosage (how many and how far), but that reduces the matter to sociology. I seek a substantive marker—a kind of argument a non-modern Orthodox would reject as such. (Incidentally, I do not think Conservative Judaism has a substantive definition; the arguments overlap with modern Orthodoxy except for dosage and sociological factors.) What I will try to mark here is the difference between modern (midrashic) conservatism and non-modern (midrashic) conservatism, irrespective of the “peshatist” conservative ethos of Haredi society.

Basic definition: Our task is to distinguish two kinds of midrashic conservatism. Both accept adapting and reapplying halakha to new circumstances—that’s a given (without it there is no conservatism). The difference lies in two points:

  1. Modern Orthodoxy is willing to employ value-based change (not only factual). We saw examples of this (and also saw limits, based on authority, in the first half of this column).

  2. For it, the source of those values is consciously external—the modern world’s values.

Non-modern Orthodoxy relates negatively to modern values—at least when they do not match traditional ones. For it, value-based change is off the table; it does not seek to align halakha to foreign values and opposes such moves. In principle the world is in moral regression (away from the “true” values), except for rare points of convergence with tradition. Unsurprisingly, there is no place for value-based halakhic change.

There is, conceptually, another non-modern stance: one could reject value-based change not because of modern values per se, but due to authority constraints. Adherents accept midrashic-conservative modernity in principle, but due to authority will not implement it in practice. My sense is that authority claims mostly join other objections rather than lead them. Those who truly believe change is needed tend to find halakhic ways to do it—at least in most cases. It is no surprise that most non-modern conservatives also explain why this is the right way and point to flaws in contemporary culture.

Necessary caveats

Even non-modern conservatism engages in midrashic adaptations based on facts (not values). For example, Meiri’s change toward gentiles rests on changed gentile behavior, not on embracing new values; it exemplifies a sober (non-frozen) conservatism. By contrast, the claim to change attitudes to gentiles on the basis of equality is a modern value-based move.

Resistance to Meiri’s suggestion often stems from intellectual ossification: the assumption that Hazal’s factual diagnoses are eternal essences that cannot change; or the claim of authority lack. These assumptions are problematic (Hazal did not, and could not, enjoy infallible factual knowledge). Similarly odd are approaches that see every law as a gezerat ha-katuv with an unknowable reason—thus foreclosing change. Even if one entertained this for biblical laws (and even there it is tenuous), many halakhot in our time are rabbinic in origin, which by definition involved reasons and human legislation (see Rambam, Mamrim 15). Such views sit awkwardly with any discussion of change but, on closer look, undergird the “peshatist” conservative ethos.

A note about past nisht: sometimes this invokes modern values (e.g., the value of honoring others’ religious practice as a civic norm), and sometimes internal Torah values. Many decisors reject proposals like intentionally invalidating secular marriage kiddushin because it is past nisht for Jews to build homes “not according to Moses and Israel”—an internal value, not a modern one. There are also cases where non-modern conservatives rely on values imported (consciously or not) from the surrounding world but seek Torah sources to anchor them. This blurs lines, but the distinctions still matter.

Interim summary: a general map

Midrashic (non-Reform) conservatisms all express obligation to halakhic rules (including the recalcitrant sinner who does not comply). This is a taxonomy of arguments, not of social groups.

Before moving on, three general comments:

A. Does U.S. Modern Orthodoxy fit this definition?

In my essay on secular courts and modern Orthodoxy (presented to a forum around the Yeshiva University orbit), I used the example of the prohibition to litigate in secular courts. Several listeners insisted that change must be grounded in traditional sources and analysis; they would not accept my claim that, although there is a prohibition, there is no viable alternative—a past nisht style argument. This is midrashic sober conservatism, but not “modern Orthodoxy” as I defined it, since it prefers to discover the needed values inside the sources (factual-application midrash) rather than avowedly importing external values. Often the values and methods proposed are a thin veneer over midrashic conservatism. (See my piece: On Modern Orthodoxy—Winks and Uses.)

B. Is Religious-Zionism “modern Orthodoxy”?

At the outset I distinguished these, claiming there is no essential link between them beyond a shared opposition to Haredism (each to a different facet). The common Religious-Zionist justification rests on Torah-based values: a mitzvah to settle the Land (ideally with sovereignty), advancing redemption, and so on—classic peshat readings rather than midrashic conservatism. Thus, in principle, there is no necessary connection between Religious-Zionism and modern Orthodoxy, though of course individuals can be both. Calling for a state because of modern political values (self-determination, national rights) would be a modern argument, but that is secular Zionism’s claim, not the religious one. I’ve written more extensively on separating the hyphen between “religious” and “Zionist”: e.g., post 74916, and “The Third Path—on Religious Zionism without a Hyphen” (essay 1, essay 2), and related pieces like What do the Haredi Anti-Draft Protests Have to Do with Elections?, post 5041, and post 71318.

In my view, the real watershed in Israeli religious society is not Haredi vs. Religious-Zionist but Haredi vs. modern Orthodox (liberal) conservatism. On this axis, Hardal (Haredi-national-religious) is firmly on the Haredi side. The only link between many Religious-Zionists and modern Orthodoxy is the “Zionist hat,” not their conservatism itself. My impression is that a large majority of Religious-Zionism (and many Haredim) actually practice modern Orthodoxy in substance, but the ethos and leadership obscure this, leading many to think that to be truly religious one must be non-modern. It is time to shed these anachronistic labels and redraw the map—also politically-ideologically. My aim here and in the surrounding trilogy is to offer a systematic program that can coalesce a currently unaligned public around it.

C. A note on conservatism in general

Elsewhere (cols. 172, 492) I wrote that I oppose conservatism and innovation as such: adopting or rejecting claims merely because they align or clash with the status quo is non-substantive. Claims should be judged on their merits. Here, however, the setting is different: in halakha, conservatism means preserving what God commanded. There is a substantive rationale: what God commanded is true and binding. Thus in the halakhic context there is reason to accept or reject an argument because of its relationship to tradition—understood properly as the transmitted will of God. The “map” here charts ways of preserving—different kinds of conservative midrash—not aesthetic loyalty to the past.

Looking ahead: distinguishing from Reform

I have mainly tried to characterize modern vs. non-modern conservatisms. The remaining question is the mirror image: how do these differ from Reform? Can one actually draw a bright line, or am I simply presenting a Reform program? In the next column I will examine the arguments of the Reform Rabbi Moshe Zemer for Reform halakhic changes and show the differences—arguing that the picture drawn here remains conservative and not Reform.

(See also: post 62661, post 63914.)


Contents of the Article

With God’s help

What Is Modern Orthodoxy? Between Authority and Essence

In the previous two columns I presented a fairly detailed map of situations and mechanisms of legal change within Jewish law. From that map you could already infer something about my view, at least regarding the legitimacy of those mechanisms, even if not regarding their correctness or full agreement with them. I would now like to move toward a characterization of Modern Orthodoxy in light of everything we have seen. But before that I must complete one additional point: the question of authority.

Until now I have dealt mainly with the question whether, conceptually, conservative change is possible at all, which is seemingly an oxymoron. The discussion was conducted against the principle of the Torah’s eternity, and I tried to show that such change is possible and does not necessarily undermine the Torah’s enduring validity, so long as the underlying principle is preserved. But there is another question I have not yet addressed, namely the question of our commitment to the Talmud, not merely to the eternity of the Torah. What is at stake here is not the conceptual question of conservative change, but a formal legal question: how, and whether, one may disagree with the Talmud. In the previous column I explained that the values of the Sages are not necessarily the values of the Torah, and that they incorporated their own values, drawn from various sources, into their interpretation of the Torah; therefore there is no reason that we may not do the same. Our commitment is to the Holy One, blessed be He, not to the Sages, except insofar as they interpret His will. But here the question of authority arises. Even if, conceptually, one can disagree with them and still remain faithful to the Torah and its Giver, there is a legal rule that obligates us to heed them themselves.

I also touched on that question when I distinguished between commitment to the bottom-line legal ruling and commitment to the value foundation beneath it. But the issue of authority still requires clarification in order to complete the picture.

Between Value Change and Factual Change: The Angle of Authority

In the previous columns I distinguished between two kinds of change: 1. legal change on the basis of changed factual circumstances; 2. legal change on the basis of changed values. I explained that when we are dealing with factual change, ostensibly we are not disputing the sages of the Talmud but only applying their rulings differently. By contrast, when the change is value-based, then we are seemingly in direct disagreement with them; and even if that is possible in principle, the question remains whether this does not create a problem of authority. But a problem of authority exists with respect to fact-based change as well. To clarify this, I will give a very brief introduction to the issue of authority.

There are two Talmudic discussions that deal with the question of authority and the possibility of changing Jewish law. One of them, in Beitzah 5a, states that ‘a matter established by formal vote requires another formal vote to permit it.’ That is, if some law was established by the Sanhedrin, then in order to change it one needs a decision of a Sanhedrin as well, and nothing less. By contrast, the Gemara in Avodah Zarah 36a, and in many parallel passages, states that ‘a court cannot nullify the ruling of another court unless it is greater than it in wisdom and number.’ From Maimonides, at the beginning of chapter 2 of Hilkhot Mamrim, it emerges that he distinguishes between biblical laws, to which the first rule applies, and rabbinic laws, to which the second rule applies. In other words, biblical laws established by the Sanhedrin can be changed by a later Sanhedrin, but there is no requirement that it be greater than the first in wisdom and number; whereas rabbinic laws established by the Sanhedrin can be changed only by a Sanhedrin greater than the first in wisdom and number.

Moreover, at least regarding rabbinic law, it appears that the rules limiting change were stated even when the rationale of the enactment or decree has lapsed. According to Maimonides, even then a court greater in wisdom and number is required. According to the Ra’avad there, however, apparently not. In his view it is enough that the repeal be done by formal vote, that is, by a Sanhedrin. One should note that changed factual circumstances are nothing but the lapse of the reason for the decree or enactment. The reason lapses when the circumstances have changed and in the new situation the rule in question no longer has a purpose. Seemingly, then, even legal change resulting from changed circumstances requires at least a formal vote, and perhaps even a forum greater in wisdom and number than its predecessor.

How does all of this fit with the picture I have described until now? At first glance it seems that even if conservative change is conceptually possible, legally it has no place, at least regarding laws established by the Sanhedrin. Today we have no Sanhedrin, so seemingly we cannot change or repeal laws, even when the circumstances have changed. And when what is at issue is a value-based change, the problem appears even more severe. There we are legally disputing the sages of earlier generations, and not merely applying their words in accordance with new circumstances. Again, in the previous column I argued that conceptually this is possible, but here I am wondering about the question of authority: can this be done without a Sanhedrin?

I will divide the discussion into several sections, each of which will address a different angle of the matter.

Between Repeal and Changing the Mode of Application

Before I continue, one more important remark. There is no complete overlap between changed circumstances and the lapse of the reason for an enactment or decree. When the reason lapses, that leads to repeal of the decree, and that indeed is subject to legal limitations of authority: a court greater in wisdom according to Maimonides, or at least a court according to the Ra’avad. But in the previous columns I dealt with various situations in which the reason for the enactment or decree does not lapse; rather, the application changes in light of changed circumstances.

The example the Talmud itself gives of the lapse of the reason for an enactment is decorating the markets of Jerusalem with fruit; see Beitzah 5a. That is a discussion of repealing an enactment when its reason no longer exists. After the destruction of the Temple, people no longer made pilgrimage and no longer brought first fruits, so there was no point in adorning the markets of Jerusalem with fruit. Notice that the swimsuit example does not require repealing the rule but applying it correctly in light of the new circumstances. And if we move to the legal analogue, the change the Meiri instructed with respect to attitudes toward non-Jews is a change in both rabbinic and biblical law in light of changed circumstances. That change was made by him in the fourteenth century, and it is obvious that he was not troubled by the absence of a Sanhedrin.

The same is true of the prohibition of ‘do not form factions,’ as the Sages interpreted it, forbidding two courts or two synagogues in one city. Today no one observes that rule. The explanation is that the factual circumstances have changed, and today what defines the matter is not the geographical city but the community, which is usually determined by origin, though not necessarily. The rule still exists, but its mode of application has changed in accordance with changed circumstances. The same applies to local custom. In the Talmudic period, what determined the force of a custom was the place, whereas today we are dealing mainly with ancestral custom, generally according to origin. The reason is that the world has changed and become mobile; people move from place to place. In the past, my descendants would generally live and die in the same village in which I lived. Therefore geographical place no longer has the significance it once had. It is no longer the fixed parameter that can preserve the customs of communities.

Similarly, I have written here more than once, see here, and in column 350 about lighting candles on the internet, and in column 446 and elsewhere, about joining a prayer quorum via Zoom, and I argued that the relevant place for this purpose is the ‘site’ on the internet rather than a geographical place. All these are examples of changing the mode of application of an enactment or some law, not of repealing it because its reason has lapsed. It seems to me that when we are dealing with a change in application, everything I said remains intact. I do not think anyone would object to forbidding the use of electricity on the Sabbath merely because electrical devices are a new phenomenon. We apply to electricity the legal categories established in the Talmud: kindling, building, creating something new, giving the finishing blow, and so forth. That is a change in application, not the repeal of a rule; therefore it is incorrect to apply here the rules governing the alteration of enactments, whether in biblical or rabbinic law.

Repealing Enactments Despite the Formal Rule

In chapter eighteen of my book Mahalakim Bein Ha-Omdim I collected dozens upon dozens of examples of decisors who repealed, and not merely changed the mode of application of, enactments and decrees when their rationale lapsed. Ostensibly this stands in direct contradiction to the Talmudic rule requiring a formal vote, or even a forum greater in wisdom and number. I explained there that the sages of the generations used a variety of tools in order to allow themselves these changes. For example, the Rosh writes in a responsum that if the reason is clear, the enactment may be repealed when the reason lapses; in Tosafot Ha-Rosh to Bava Metzia 90 he says this with respect to the rationale of the verse in biblical law. Others wrote that where continued application of the rule in the new circumstances causes significant harm, it may be repealed. Others spoke of a case in which the rationale of the rule is stated explicitly, rather than being merely our interpretation, in which case a purposive interpretation is possible. And so on. In many such distinctions, decisors wrote that laws can be changed even today, when there is no Sanhedrin. I also added the mechanism of freezing laws, and I proved from Maimonides that this power is entrusted to any court at any time, and so on.

In the two preceding chapters there, chapters sixteen and seventeen, I explained the background to these matters. My claim was that because ordination and the Sanhedrin were abolished, we have been living through a historical accident lasting thousands of years; see column 164 and elsewhere. A normative system like Jewish law cannot permit itself total ossification in the absence of an authoritative institution. Over time, situations arise that require masses of legal changes at the substantive level, and their number grows at an accelerating pace as the generations pass, and all of them get stuck because of the question of authority. That is unreasonable, since everyone understands that the changes are necessary and that the harms created are terrible. This compels sages throughout the generations, including today, to find and formulate workarounds by means of which they circumvent the Talmudic limitations on changing laws.

But all of this can be said about changes in factual circumstances. There we are speaking about a change in mode of application, about changes in reality that force us to find ways to change the law and perhaps even to repeal laws. But what about changes in values? That is already a frontal disagreement with the Talmud and earlier law. It is not a change in application, nor even repeal due to new circumstances, but simply disagreement with the existing law. I have already dealt with the question whether this is conceptually possible within a conservative framework. But in such situations the question of authority arises in full force: can one disagree with binding laws when we have no authorized institution to do so, namely a Sanhedrin?

Between the Talmud and the Sanhedrin

I have written more than once about the authority of the Talmud, and explained that it does not possess authority in the way the Sanhedrin does, since the sages of the Talmud were not ordained and did not sit in the Chamber of Hewn Stone or in the seat of the Sanhedrin; the sages of the Babylonian Talmud lived and worked in Babylonia. Moreover, I have also argued that their authority does not stem from their greatness or from any supposed impossibility of error, but because we accepted them upon ourselves; see the Kesef Mishneh at the beginning of Hilkhot Mamrim, on the very laws I mentioned above. The question that now arises is: what is the nature of that acceptance? Does the commandment of ‘do not deviate’ now apply with respect to Talmudic determinations? It is very hard to claim that, since ‘do not deviate’ applies only to an ordained Sanhedrin in the Land of Israel; see Deut. 17:11, apart from the puzzling and unique view of Sefer Ha-Chinukh in commandment 496.

It seems that we have here a different kind of obligation, one not anchored in ‘do not deviate.’ One can say that ‘do not deviate’ is an authority imposed upon us from above. We do not appoint the Sanhedrin; the Holy One does, through the chain of ordination. Hence its authority over us does not derive from our accepting it or choosing it, but from the Torah’s legal command. By contrast, commitment to the Talmud is bottom-up, that is, by force of public acceptance, like the authority of a local rabbinic authority or a community rabbi. It is therefore hard to derive the boundaries of commitment to the Talmud from the boundaries of ‘do not deviate.’ But if so, then the authority that imposed it is also the authority that can release it. Where the public is the basis for the authority of some institution, the public is also what can change the matter.

Implications for Value-Based Change

Here we can bring in what I wrote in the previous column: that our commitment to the Talmud is a commitment to the bottom-line legal ruling, not to the value basis and rationale underlying it. If it is we who accepted the authority of the Talmud upon ourselves, we must examine the scope of that acceptance and its boundaries. And indeed, the examples I brought there, and in the column to which I linked, all dealt with the Talmudic sages’ attitude toward the Mishnah and the medieval and later authorities’ attitudes toward the sages of the Talmud. From this it follows that commitment to the Talmud does not necessarily hold when the circumstances have changed and the rationale no longer exists. And certainly we can set limiting rules regarding the authority of the Talmud, just as sages have set rules for changing laws throughout the generations.

Beyond that, the background I have described here briefly, namely that as the generations pass the inability to disagree with the Talmud blocks changes that everyone agrees are necessary, may lead to the conclusion that even if there is commitment to the value infrastructure as well, that commitment is limited in situations where harms are created and changes are required in the judgment of the sages of the current generation. It is not reasonable to leave Jewish law resting on the foundations of a value system that prevailed in Babylonia fifteen hundred years ago, at least in cases where the values prevalent today stand in direct contradiction to it and conduct in accordance with it appears, not only to outsiders but also, and perhaps especially, to insiders, bizarre and detached. Again, let me note that I am not speaking only about the desecration of God’s name involved in such matters, or about the verse ‘for that is your wisdom and your understanding’ (Deut. 4:6), but about a substantive consideration.

In the previous column I explained that a consideration of value change can operate in two ways: 1. a new interpretation of earlier law on the basis of contemporary values; 2. a conflict between law and morality. I noted there that the law does not always prevail in such a case. The assumption here is that the law itself cannot simply be changed, especially if one holds, as I do, that Jewish law is not built upon a moral foundation; but the commitment to morality stands in conflict with the law, and now we must decide that conflict, a decision that on the theoretical-conceptual plane lies outside the law. The difference between these two modes depends on whether moral values or religious values, or perhaps both, truly underlie the law. As noted, I advocate the second conception, which disconnects morality from Jewish law. Even so, on my view as well, when there are two possible ways to interpret the law, there is no obstacle, and indeed it is almost demanded, to interpret it in accordance with moral principles. Where it is clear that there is no such path, mode 2 remains open to us, that is, to view the situation as one of conflict between law and morality and to decide accordingly. Let me add that, as I explained in the previous column, we are not committed to the moral values of the Sages; even if those values underlie the legal determinations to which we are committed, that certainly does not obligate us to adopt them as moral directives. In short, the fact that my values differ from the values of the Sages does not mean that I must bend. Legally I will bend, but morally I will still stand by my position, and the resulting situation is a conflict between law and morality. In addition, in the comments I distinguished between commitment to the legal category itself, which does exist, and commitment to its value rationale, which does not. True, the boundary is not sharp, but it exists. This description creates a continuum of situations for which it is difficult to provide clear criteria, but anyone who does not ignore reality and its complexities will have to admit that this is indeed the case.

In addition, in the previous column I pointed out that there are situations in which the original law was not based on a Torah value at all, but simply adopted a prevailing value, and therefore that value cannot be seen as a legal value. I gave as an example an argument in favor of qualifying women as witnesses on the grounds that today the value of equality is very important in the world. Suppose the claim is that, in the eyes of the Sages, inequality as such was not a value; rather, they simply did not possess the value of equality, and therefore preferred to leave women in the home. If that is indeed the case, then this can be changed in a world in which equality is an important value, not only in the eyes of non-Jews but also in our own eyes as Jews.

Returning to the Question of Authority

In the final analysis, the question of authority certainly does impede the possibility of changing laws, especially when what is at issue is value-based change. One cannot entirely ignore the Talmudic limiting rules. Therefore, sometimes we will have to refrain from making a change even though in our view it is necessary, because of questions of authority. But it is unreasonable to see this as an absolute barrier, for that leads to an intolerable situation for those committed to Jewish law, and that is indeed how decisors have acted throughout the generations. It does mean, however, that even if we do not require an actual Sanhedrin, in order to make such a change one needs a significant consensus among the sages of the present generation. Changing law on a value basis is a delicate and dangerous step, and it is entirely reasonable to expect that it not be done on the basis of the judgment of this or that individual, however important he may be.

In addition, and perhaps as a supplement, the value change must be something obvious. In other words, it should not be a matter of one person’s or another’s private interpretation of morality. If it is clear that some mode of conduct today is simply not done, then that is a value change that justifies legal change. That is precisely the meaning of the expression ‘simply not done.’ The point is not something unreasonable or probably incorrect, but something inconceivable, something about which it is obvious that today one cannot behave that way. Again, I am not speaking only about desecration of God’s name, but about a substantive consideration, somewhat akin to ‘ways of peace’ in Rabbi Unterman’s sense. If indeed the value change is so unequivocal, then the category I cited in the name of the Rosh applies here, namely that the limiting rules do not apply, such as the need for a court greater in wisdom and number in his responsa, or the demand for the scriptural rationale in his Tosafot to Bava Metzia. One can say that in such a case the change in values is a kind of change in factual circumstances. At least in this respect, the contemporary world is substantially different from that of the Sages, and this should be seen as a factual change that justifies legal change. Here it is not I who disagree with the Sages; rather, it is clear to me that if they themselves were living today, they too would say the same. In such a situation, one may say that this change should not be seen as disagreement with the Sages, but as a change in application under new circumstances. If the change is not that unequivocal, then it would require a Sanhedrin and compliance with all the limiting rules, and it is therefore impossible in our time.

This complex picture brings us to the second part of the column: how can it be applied in reality? How will we know which changes fall within the category of legitimate conservative interpretation, and which exceed it? Are there proposals that can be rejected as illegitimate even within so flexible and complex a picture? My claim is that there are. But before that, I will try to characterize Modern Orthodoxy. That characterization must be made over against non-modern Orthodoxy on the one hand, asking which considerations of conservative interpretation will not be accepted by all of Orthodoxy, and over against Reform on the other hand, asking which considerations are not included in conservative interpretation at all. For that purpose I will need to use everything I have presented עד now.

Defining Modern Orthodoxy

The fundamental problem that emerges from the map I have drawn is that under the heading ‘conservative interpretation’ one can include all the legal streams, from the Haredim through Modern Orthodoxy and on to the Conservatives. There are differences of degree and ethos, but in practice all of them are interpretive conservatives. Only the Reform movement remains outside conservatism.

That leaves us with a theoretical puzzle: what, then, are the differences between these three streams or these three kinds of conservative argument? Of course one could say that it is only a matter of degree, how many conservative interpretive moves you make and how far you take them. But that would return us to group characterization, that is, to sociology, whereas, as I explained, I am interested in a substantive characterization of arguments rather than sociology. In other words, I am looking for a single argument that can be seen as a modern argument, meaning one that a non-modern Orthodox thinker would not accept, and from that perspective the question of degree is irrelevant. Incidentally, in my view Conservative Judaism really does not have a substantive definition. In principle, Conservative arguments are identical to those of Modern Orthodoxy, apart from questions of degree and sociology. What I will try to sketch here is the difference between those two, which I shall call here Orthodoxy or modern conservatism, and Haredi interpretive conservatism, which I shall call here Orthodoxy or non-modern conservatism, and this without regard to the plain-sense conservative ethos of Haredism. I am looking for differences in practice, not in ethos.

Modern Orthodoxy: A Basic Definition

Our aim here is to distinguish between two types of interpretive conservatism: modern and non-modern. We have seen that both accept the possibility of conservative interpretation that adapts the law and applies it differently under new circumstances. It seems to me that the difference between them lies in the word ‘modern,’ that is, in the combination of two points: 1. modern conservatism is willing to use conservative interpretation that also takes changes in values into account, and not only changes in facts. We saw examples of this in the previous column, and we also saw the limitations in the first half of this column; without those limitations this would not be conservatism at all. I will not return later to the question of authority and limits, and I will assume that when we are speaking about value-based change within Modern Orthodoxy it is done within those limits. 2. On this view, the new values that inform this interpretation may consciously come from outside, from the values of the modern world.

Non-modern conservatism views the values of the modern world negatively, at least insofar as they do not fit traditional values. Therefore, from its point of view, change on a value basis does not even arise for discussion, since it has no aspiration to adapt the law to such ‘corrupt’ values. Opposition to these two characteristics joins together and produces non-modern conservatism. From its perspective, the world is in principle in regression, moving away from the correct values, except for those points at which it advances, or retreats, toward traditional values. No wonder, then, that from their perspective there is no place for change in the law on the basis of values.

In principle there is another type of non-modern conservatism. One can imagine an approach that rejects the possibility of value-based changes not because it rejects modern values, but because of authority considerations. Those who hold this view do not accept the picture I have sketched above, and in their opinion, even if modern values are positive in themselves and it would even be appropriate to implement them in Jewish law, we have no way to implement them within the framework of the law because of the limiting rules and authority constraints. This approach endorses modern interpretive conservatism at the theoretical level, but because of the rules of authority and the legal limits on change it does not realize that view in actual practice. My sense is that claims about authority are usually auxiliary rather than primary. Someone who truly believes in the need for change finds ways to make it happen, at least in most cases. It is no wonder that most non-modern conservatives also explain why this is the correct way to act and point to the defects of contemporary culture.

Several Necessary Remarks and Distinctions

We have seen interpretive moves based on value change that causes factual change, but such interpretive moves also occur within non-modern conservatism. For example, the Meiri’s claim that attitudes toward non-Jews should change because of improvement in their moral conduct is a factual change, not a value change, although it is based on a different relation to the ‘correct’ values that were supposedly always correct, rather than to new values. Therefore, the Meiri’s proposal דווקא demonstrates a mechanism of non-modern conservatism, though perhaps an enlightened one, as opposed to the ossified conservatism to be defined below, that is, a conservatism aware of changes taking place in the world. By contrast, the claim that attitudes toward non-Jews should change because of the value of equality is a modern interpretive move, since it is based on the value change itself and not merely on the changed circumstances it has created.

If we look at the opposition to the change proposed by the Meiri, which usually also includes denying that he proposed such a thing at all, and which seemingly rejects change of any kind, even fact-based change, we find that it arises from intellectual ossification, that is, from the strange assumption that the reality described by the Sages cannot change, or perhaps, alternatively, from a claim of lack of authority, as above. It assumes that the Sages certainly did not err, even about facts. In addition, it assumes that the nature of non-Jews necessarily remains what it once was, because every diagnosis of the Sages is eternal and essentialist. The same goes for women, and every other creature. The positions reflected in these objections I would call ‘ossified conservatism,’ as opposed to the Meiri’s enlightened conservatism. Thus non-modern interpretive conservatism is divided into enlightened and ossified forms, and both stand over against modern conservatism. Let me only remind you that all three are shades of interpretive conservatism.

There is also a possibility of ossified conservatism that sees all laws as scriptural decrees whose rationale is hidden from us, or perhaps does not exist, and in that way rejects every possibility of change in the law. These are bizarre approaches in my view, even if they are fairly widespread today, because even if I were to accept this regarding laws written in the Torah, and even there it is of course very strange; see Maimonides, Guide for the Perplexed, part 3, chapter 15, there is no doubt that at least a significant portion of the laws were created by the sages, and therefore it is obvious that a rationale stood behind them. Notice that here the opposition is not to modernity but to change as such, and therefore this approach does not really belong to our discussion. At first glance one might classify these approaches as ossified non-modern conservatism, but on second thought it is clear that this is precisely the foundation underlying plain-sense conservatism.

Notice that most appeals to what is simply not done are also tied to modern thinking. The argument that it is impossible nowadays to destroy objects or writings used for idol worship, because in today’s world respect for religious worship, except of course for Jews in Israel, is a supreme value. I mean here an objection based on values, like the consideration of ‘ways of peace’ in Rabbi Unterman’s sense from the previous column, and not on fear of how non-Jews will react. By contrast, there are also ‘simply not done’ considerations that are not modern, namely those grounded in internal Torah values rather than contemporary modern ones. For example, most decisors reject the proposal to deliberately invalidate the marriages of secular Jews, for example by arranging for disqualified witnesses to the marriage, because it is simply not done. But these are considerations based on the proper form of the Jewish home: it is simply not done for Jews to establish a home not according to the law of Moses and Israel. These are of course ‘simply not done’ considerations that are not modern, because the value that generates the sense that something is simply not done is a classic Torah value.

Another remark. There are cases in which even non-modern conservatives rely on a value-based sense that something is simply not done, but they are not aware, or at least do not admit, that the values underlying their considerations are influenced by the external world. They always attribute them to the Torah and its values, proving the value of equality from Torah sources and the like. This, of course, greatly blurs the differences, but in my view the differences nevertheless exist and are recognizable.

Interim Summary: A General Map

We can summarize the picture we have reached graphically:

Reform here expresses lack of conservatism, meaning a refusal to be bound by the rules, and for my purposes that includes the unbeliever as well, who is not bound at all. Let me only note that this is a classification of arguments, not of arguers, meaning that these should not be seen as sociological characterizations of groups.

Before I continue, I will add three general remarks.

A. Does Modern Orthodoxy in the United States fit my definition here?

In my article on the prohibition of civil courts and Modern Orthodoxy, I described this approach through the example of the prohibition on turning to civil courts. These remarks were delivered before the Orthodox Forum, which was founded, or attempted to be founded, by graduates of Modern Orthodoxy in the United States around Yeshiva University. The responses I received from part of the audience were, as expected, very negative. Several listeners told me that legal change should be backed by analysis of legal sources and grounded in them. They were unwilling to accept my claim that although there is indeed a prohibition on appearing before and turning to civil courts, there is no real alternative and anything else is simply not done. This is a conservative conception that, already at the beginning of the first column, I noted as very characteristic of Modern Orthodoxy in the United States; Yeshiva University and the faculty who teach there shaped it in their own image. They objected to the very pattern of the argument from what is simply not done, because, in their view, legal conduct is bound up with adherence to and reliance upon sources. Note that here we are speaking about a sense that something is simply not done that is based on internal Torah values, namely the existence of an effective legal system; see the discussion of courts in Syria, and column 448.

In a certain sense, this is interpretive conservatism of the enlightened type, but not Modern Orthodoxy as I have described it here. I think the resemblance between them and what I have described here rests on the fact that they too try to adapt the law to contemporary values, and do not disparage those values, but they do so through interpretation of the law itself, conservative interpretation on the basis of facts, not through interpretive arguments on the basis of values. They find modern values within the sources of the law or the Torah, and as is well known, in matters of values one can make the Torah say almost anything one wants, and usually the interpretive paths they propose are only a rather thin cover for conservative interpretation. Thus, from their perspective, modern values coincide with the law, not only with the Torah. I have the impression that these circles also tend to identify law with morality.

One may wonder how I can take the term ‘Modern Orthodoxy,’ which arose in the United States around Yeshiva University and is used there in a certain sense, and convert it into a different sense. That is, of course, a semantic question, and from my point of view you may call it by another name. What matters is the definition of this option, not its name. But I would add that in my opinion those circles also hold a modern-Orthodox outlook as I have defined it here; they simply refuse to admit it, even to themselves. In any case, from my perspective you may use a different term. The map is what matters, not the labels. Either way, they too have a place on the map.

B. Is Religious Zionism Modern Orthodoxy?

At the beginning of the first column I distinguished between these two positions, and argued that there is no substantive connection between them, apart from the fact that both oppose Haredism, each to a different component within it. We can now move further and understand the difference more clearly. The usual justification for the Religious-Zionist position is based on Torah values. The claim is that, legally, there is an obligation to settle the Land of Israel even in a sovereign state framework, and so forth. On the level of thought, the claim is that this also advances redemption, and so on. These are arguments that do not rest on conservative interpretation but on plain-sense reading of the sources; most Haredim agree with them as well, except that in their view one may not cooperate with secular Jews. Others argue that redemption must come from above, but they do not deny the commandment of settling and conquering the land. Thus the arguments here do not require value change, or even changed factual circumstances. This is simply the implementation of the sources of Jewish law as they stand. Therefore there is no real connection between Religious Zionism and Modern Orthodoxy. Of course, there may be people who are both Religious Zionists and Modern Orthodox, but that is an accidental rather than essential combination. Had someone argued that a state should be established because of the values expressed in the Spring of Nations, according to which every people demands and deserves sovereignty and independence of its own on some piece of land, that would have been a distinctly modern argument. But that is not the argument of Religious Zionism; it is the argument of secular Zionism.

I have written several times that I forgo the hyphen between Zionism and religiosity, and define myself as a secular Zionist and a religious person. Notice that it is precisely this position that can be connected to Modern Orthodoxy. I certainly see value in Zionism, but it is a national, not a religious, value. For me it is indeed part of the Spring of Nations, that is, part of a modern value system external to Jewish law, exactly as Ben-Gurion saw it, as in the well-known quip of the rabbi of Ponovezh cited at the beginning of the article cited above. That is exactly the defining feature of Modern Orthodoxy as presented here. So my argument against Religious Zionism is connected to my argument about Modern Orthodoxy. Although there is no connection between the two positions I am criticizing, Religious Zionism and non-modern Orthodoxy, my attack on both rests on the same underlying worldview.

Several times in the past, see for example my article here, and a little in columns 98 and 382, I wrote that for more than a hundred years the watershed line in Israel’s religious society has run between Haredism and Religious Zionism. I argued that this is an anachronism, because the state has been here for more than seventy years, and opposition to Zionism has no significance any longer. I do not see, in any substantive sense, anything non-Zionist in mainstream Haredism. The real watershed ought to run between conservatives and liberals, that is, between Haredim and Modern Orthodox, not between Haredim and Religious Zionists. Along that line, for example, the Hardal camp stands entirely on the Haredi side. See the articles above for the confusions this creates. The only connection between them and most modern religious Jews is one blessing once a year and a few chapters of Psalms, and even that only because of those modern conservatives’ Zionist label, not because they are modern conservatives as such.

My impression is that a large majority of the Religious-Zionist public, and also a considerable portion of the Haredi public, hold a modern-Orthodox view, but their ethos does not make this present and they are not aware of it. The reason is that this camp has no rabbinic leadership and no orderly, systematic doctrine, and therefore among the broad public there arises the sense that a religious person ought to be Haredi, meaning a non-modern conservative. Whoever is not that is merely ‘light,’ someone chasing the spirit of the times and yielding to it, Heaven forbid. The result is that even one who does not in practice behave in a non-modern way still has that as his religious ethos, and therefore recoils from arguments like those I have presented here, although in actual life he of course behaves this way, and often even less conservatively than that. But this is a conceptual confusion, one that is naturally encouraged by both the Haredi and the Religious-Zionist rabbinic leadership, much of which is itself Haredi in outlook, that is, non-modernly conservative. It is time to shake the dust off these anachronistic definitions and regroup around an updated watershed line on the political-ideological plane. My remarks here, and in the trilogy as a whole, are meant, among other things, to create such a systematic doctrine, one that can serve as a nucleus around which this otherwise unidentified public can coalesce.

C. A Remark About Conservatism in General

So far I have sketched a map of the various shades of conservatism, and within them I have tried to locate Modern Orthodoxy, or modern conservatism. It is important to me to address here the idea of conservatism in general. In columns 217, 249, and elsewhere, I wrote that I oppose both conservatism and innovation as such, because such approaches mean accepting or rejecting arguments for reasons that are not relevant to their substance. The reasons offered are that such views deviate from what is accepted or conform to it, and therefore they should be rejected or adopted. To the best of my judgment, arguments should be examined on their own merits, irrespective of whether they conform to what is accepted or deviate from it. Characterizing a position as conservative or innovative is the business of the scholar, but that characterization should not play a role in legal decision-making.

Here, however, the discussion is somewhat different. Conservatism in the context of these columns does not mean preserving what once was, but preserving what the Holy One commanded. The conservative rationale here is entirely substantive, because within a religious conception it is obvious that what the Holy One commanded is correct and binding. In the context of Jewish law, there is indeed substantive logic to accepting or rejecting an argument because of conservatism, meaning conformity to tradition, or more accurately, to God’s will as transmitted through tradition. Therefore the discussion here differs from the general discussion of conservatism. Here my assumption is that there is an obligation to preserve what God commanded, and that it is important to be conservative; my concern is only to map the various shades of such preservation and such conservatism.

Here I dealt mainly with the attempt to characterize modern conservatism as against types of non-modern conservatism. We are still left with the opposite question: what distinguishes these from Reform? Is it really possible to distinguish clearly between them, or am I simply presenting a Reform doctrine here?

In order to put some flesh on the rather abstract characterizations I have presented here, and to distinguish them from Reform, in the next column I will try to examine critically the claims of the Reform rabbi Moshe Zemer in favor of Reform changes in Jewish law. There I will try to identify the differences and show that the picture I have described here is still conservative.

Discussion

Chayota (2022-05-29)

Religious Zionism is very aware of the influence of the Springtime of Nations and the national awakening in the world on Zionism; it merely covers itself with, or adorns itself with, the halakhic command to settle the Land as a support, an excuse, or an additional layer. But both things, both motivations, exist simultaneously and do not contradict each other. In this respect, Religious Zionism is not conservatism but a great innovation, a departure from everything the leading rabbis of the generation taught, in Europe at least. Joining forces with secular Jews, with all that entails, in order to build a Jewish state in the Land of Israel, as an ideal that competes, for example, with the ideal of Torah study. The fact that today there is a split within Religious Zionism is a natural development between its two foundational tendencies: the part that stems from a secular cultural innovation in the world, and the part that stems from religious sources.

Michi (2022-05-29)

You are repeating my point. The meaning of your claim is that the Religious Zionist movement has always been divided between Hardalim and Modern Orthodox, and in these years that is being realized in practice. That is exactly what I said. But note that Religious Zionism is what the two groups have in common, and as such it is an idea distinct from Modern Orthodoxy and independent of it.

Michi (2022-05-29)

One should also distinguish between the psychological-sociological influence of the Springtime of Nations, which arouses a religious movement, and ideological claims from a non-religious source in the name of the values of the Springtime of Nations. I completely agree that sometimes the religious arguments are only a cloak, and my remarks are intended, among other things, to free us from the need for façades drawn from religious sources.

And what do we do when nationalism in the Western world declines? (to Chayota) (2022-05-29)

With God’s help, Jerusalem Day—Jerusalem–al-Quds 5782

To Chayota – many greetings,

If Religious Zionism stems from the national awakening in Europe, then now that Europe has decided to unite all the nations into a single European community – why should our share be diminished?

The time has come for us to establish here as well a multinational, multicultural ‘Middle Eastern community,’ in which, from Afghanistan in the east to Morocco in the west, Arabs and Jews, Christians, Druze, and Muslims, Sunnis and Shiites, will live in tranquility and brotherhood!

With the blessing of all-embracing unity, Shams Razael al-Fanjari

Chayota (2022-05-29)

You wrote: "The accepted rationale for the Religious-Zionist position is based on Torah values. The claim is that, halakhically, there is an obligation to settle the Land of Israel also in a sovereign state framework, and so on." I think that is a restrictive definition; you did not address at all the innovation and the rebellion inherent in joining forces with Zionism. You turned them into Hardalim from the outset, and that is not the case.

Chayota (2022-05-29)

To Shams of the many strange names – things develop, movements do not remain frozen in place, so what? That says nothing about analyzing the beginning and the foundation. And by the way, even today there is constant movement between nationalism and universalism, and it would do us good if we too knew how to listen to that movement.

Michi (2022-05-29)

I did not turn anyone into a Hardal from the outset, and I repeated that again in my previous comment here. My claim is that the main halakhic innovation of Religious Zionism is that there is an obligation to state sovereignty (even in cooperation with secular Jews). In that sense, there is nothing here that has to do with Modern Orthodoxy. A subgroup among them acted explicitly or implicitly from "secular" motives, and that is the kernel from which Modern Orthodoxy in our day could develop. I do not see what we are arguing about. It seems to me that everything is agreed upon.
But since you raised the issue, the decision to cooperate with secular Jews (which I mentioned in my remarks) is, in my view, tactical, and I do not see it as the main innovation. I have not seen that from the tenth century onward a religious movement arose to settle the Land and establish a state, even though there were no secular people then. Joining the secular was a means to realize the religious value. If I lived in a society where only gentiles had donkeys, I would cooperate with them so that I could redeem a firstborn donkey. So too in establishing a state, they cooperated with secular Jews because that was the situation, and without them it would not have come into being. Therefore, in my view this is a relatively marginal innovation. But as stated, this is a side discussion and does not touch the main point of my argument.

Chayota (2022-05-29)

Take a boy and a girl in Poland who join the Zionist club, HeHalutz or the Religious HeHalutz, get excited, go for training, and eventually immigrate to the Land to establish a kibbutz. Was all of this done as a halakhic act to fulfill settling the Land? That was certainly there in the background, but it is doubtful that it was the main thing.

Or perhaps we should understand that the ‘values coming from outside’ awaken us to reveal the values hidden ‘inside’ (to Chayota) (2022-05-29)

With God’s help, 28 Iyar 5782 (118 years since Rav Kook’s immigration to the Land of Israel)

To Chayota – many greetings,

And perhaps instead of trying to adapt ourselves to every passing wind that arises, and in its light (or its darkness 🙂 updating our values, and constantly being influenced and dragged along – we should understand that religious values, national values, and universal values alike are part of our eternal Torah

The Torah, which commands the commandments between man and God and the commandments between man and his fellow; commands the conquest of the Land and dwelling in it, and the dissemination of Torah to the nations of the world; commands building a Temple on the ‘mountain of the Lord’ so that ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples,’ from which Torah will go forth to all the nations; expects all to accept the yoke of the kingdom of Heaven, but that this should be in the sense that ‘they accepted His kingship willingly upon themselves’ – the Torah includes all values – those that are in fashion, called ‘modern’ in foreign parlance, and those that for the time being have ‘gone out of fashion’ 🙂

The Torah is compared to ‘mustard,’ which contains within it all flavors – sharp and sweet, sour and salty – and so we too should aspire to a Torah that includes ‘Haredi-ness’—that is, ‘vigor’ in biblical language (as in ‘Why have you trembled for us with all this trembling?’); ‘religiosity,’ faithfulness to fixed laws; ‘nationalism,’ which emphasizes the uniqueness of the people of Israel; together with ‘liberality,’ from the phrase ‘dear to everyone,’ full of love for everyone created in the image of God.

Halakhah is meant to bring balance and coordination among all the eternal and human values, to give each value its proper measure, in order to create a complete and harmonious value system. To the extent that we achieve clarification, we can be leaders and have influence.

Regards, Admon Akavia Lichtman-Lederer HaMeiri

Chayota (2022-05-29)

Or perhaps not?

Henri Bergson (2022-05-29)

Religious Zionism was indeed always divided in two from an intellectual standpoint: the Mizrachi as opposed to the disciples of Rav Kook and Degel Yerushalayim. And the same is true today: Merkaz HaRav versus Yeshivat Gush Etzion and their offshoots.
But Rav Kook himself certainly held that there is room for national and moral motives alongside halakhic motives (for example in the essay Drops of Light, and many others), except that he held that they all stem from a common source—from the Holy One, blessed be He, through the revealed Torah, the hidden Torah, revelations of the soul, and the history of the world.
Is he closer to midrashic conservatism or to Modern Orthodoxy? I think to midrashic conservatism. Though I recoil from the term conservatism in the context of Torah. Torah is revolutionary and not at all conservative.

Michi (2022-05-29)

Clearly. Even today the people out in the fields are not intellectuals. The leadership that formulates the arguments dictates the path, and they join in. When I speak about arguments, I am speaking about the ideology.
The youngsters certainly joined the secular Zionist movement as religious people.

Henri Bergson (2022-05-29)

Now I see that Shatz nicely represents the centrists’ approach; one can see in his words how Rav Kook’s position, which justifies motives that are not Torah-based, becomes for him midrashic conservatism.
Chayota, why not? Don’t dismiss such sensible words with a straw.

Chayota (2022-05-29)

Indeed, my response was not polite. I will elaborate and say that I do not like forced harmonizations of the style of ‘everything is contained in our holy Torah.’ True, our holy Torah expands and develops and swallows into itself foreign and newly arising elements from outside until it is no longer recognizable that they entered into its midst. The world is an interesting creature, changing and renewing itself; some claim that even the Holy One, blessed be He, is responsible for this, and Judaism activates its internal balances in relation to it, usually quite successfully. This is not the place to demonstrate that point, but even the aggadot that I love, which are an integral part of the Talmud, were apparently born under the influence of the Greek plays, and I will not elaborate here; of course they were transformed and duly converted. In short, I do not like it when people are accused of kowtowing to foreign and new winds. It is the way of the world that things change, and people too.

The birth of aggadah from the Torah reading (to Chayota) (2022-05-29)

With God’s help, eve of Rosh Chodesh Sivan 5782

The theaters and circuses that Hazal knew were places of cheap amusement, full of cynical mockery or cruel violence—things that Hazal loathed to the depths of their souls, and against which they warned their listeners to keep away as from fire. It may be assumed that the opinion of the Greek classicists was not much more positive regarding their cheap ‘Levantine’ imitators.

Aggadah grew out of the Torah reading in the synagogues, which the enactments of the Men of the Great Assembly in Ezra’s day intensified, aspiring to create a broad stratum of the common people—simple folk, farmers, and craftsmen—filled with knowledge of Torah.

On Sabbaths the hardworking Jews would gather in the synagogues and read the Torah, both in the morning and at Minchah. And naturally, repeating a familiar text can become boring, and therefore in every place they found ways to give flavor to the words of Torah so that they would draw the hearts of their listeners, lest they wander idly in the streets like ‘street-corner sitters.’

The synagogue was an impressive and unique Jewish creation, without parallel in gentile culture. Among the gentiles, education was the possession of the rich and the aristocrats, whereas among the Jews there was an aspiration that ‘all your children shall be taught of the Lord.’

There were many Greeks and Hellenists who mocked the Jews, both for their ‘atheistic’ Temple devoid of statues and for their idleness, which caused them ‘to spend more than a seventh of their lives in idleness.’ But there were many who looked with admiration at the Jews as ‘a nation of philosophers.’ Some of them came to the synagogues to hear the reading and the sermons, and some of them—including not a few from ‘high society,’ such as the monarchs of Adiabene, Helena and her son Monobaz, Bloria, Onkelos, and many others like them—converted. A Roman writer in the period after the destruction complains that ‘there is no house in Rome without a Jew in it.’

It seems that even members of the Hellenistic aristocracy who had been raised on the philosophy and high art of Greece found in Judaism a world of faith and values immeasurably deeper than Greek culture, ‘which has no fruit, only flowers’ (in the words of Rabbi Yehuda Halevi).

The ‘drift’ toward Judaism was halted by the decree against circumcision in the days of Emperor Hadrian, which at first included all the inhabitants of the empire and led to the Bar Kokhba revolt. But Hadrian’s successors understood that it was enough to strictly forbid circumcision to gentiles in order to prevent conversion. The Jews too learned the lesson and raised the barriers of separation from gentile society.

The ‘Jewish germ’ continued to gnaw at the brains of the Greeks and Romans in the form of Christianity, which offered ‘instant Judaism,’ without circumcision and the minutiae of the commandments, monotheism combined with paganism—’one who is three,’ and the like. In the end, Emperor Constantine of Rome accepted Christianity, and the gods of Greece and Rome faded away.

Both the ‘church’ to which Christians go on Sunday and the ‘mosque’ to which Muslims go on Friday are a clear imitation of the synagogue to which Jews go on the Sabbath.

In other words: a poor but determined nation can, over the course of hundreds of years, exert a world-shaking influence on global culture.

Regards, Admon Akavia Lichtman-Lederer HaMeiri

Corrections (2022-05-29)

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… of ‘the common people,’ simple folk, …

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… to gnaw at their brains …

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… the pagan-monotheistic syncretism conquered the empire, and ‘in the end’…

Chayota (2022-05-29)

I meant something much simpler, the dialogic pattern of

Chayota (2022-05-29)

Sorry, it jumped. I meant the dialogic pattern of—he said to him, he said to him—and not circuses and theaters. We have stories in the Pentateuch too, and there is no need to run to the Greeks to gather them.

Be’aaa (2022-05-29)

Mizrachi before the Holocaust, in Europe—the great rabbis who were in it did not see a contradiction between religion and Zionism, and therefore cooperated [Springtime of Nations].
Rav Kook [he was preceded by the Baal Shem Tov, the Gra, mainly their disciples, the Or HaChaim and the Chatam Sofer, afterward the rabbis of Hovevei Zion] cries out ‘the beginning of the redemption’ while he is a member of the Council of Torah Sages of Agudat Yisrael until the day of his death. And when World Mizrachi does not really go along with Rav Kook’s redemptive line, he establishes a new movement called ‘Degel Yerushalayim,’ and that is its role: to promote consciousness and deeds of the beginning of redemption.
On the political level it did not really take off in his lifetime, but today Religious Zionism in Israel is, by and large, apparently mainly in the path and doctrine of Rav Kook and his continuers [‘the beginning of redemption’]; but in the U.S. this is called ‘Modern Orthodox,’ and it is more in the line of Rabbi Soloveitchik [who served as a member of the Council of Torah Sages of Agudat Yisrael in the U.S., and after the Holocaust, when he saw that rebbes and rabbis were coming from Europe and founding a conservative, framework-and-community-based Judaism instead of an idea-based one, a beggar’s Judaism instead of a productive one that integrates with the necessary caution, he says: you learned nothing from what happened in Europe, and resigns from the Council of Torah Sages of Agudat Yisrael USA. In time he is appointed president of World Mizrachi]. He is more in the line of Mizrachi, which sees this as Springtime of Nations + The Voice of My Beloved Knocks, and less as an unequivocal determination of ‘the beginning of redemption.’

On ‘the beginning of redemption’ and on ‘Degel Yerushalayim’ (to Be’aaa) (2022-05-29)

With God’s help, eve of Rosh Chodesh Sivan 5782

I do not know whether Rav Kook used the expression ‘the beginning of redemption’ regarding the return to Zion in our generations, but certainly he saw the process as ‘the light of salvation dawning’ upon the people of Israel and as preparation for redemption. In Mizrachi there was Rav Reines, who was careful not to define Zionism as preparation for redemption. He emphasized the dimension of saving the Jews of Europe from the persecutions of the haters of Israel, and for that reason he was inclined, like Herzl, to accept the ‘Uganda Plan.’

But that was not the only voice in Mizrachi, and there were quite a few who spoke (following Hovevei Zion) of Zionism as preparation for the coming redemption ‘little by little.’ This position was held, for example, by Rav Herzog, who, when it was suggested to him during the Second World War not to return to the Land of Israel because the German armies stood at its threshold, replied: ‘It is a tradition in our hands that there will not be a third destruction.’ And in the Prayer for the Welfare of the State, composed by Rav Herzog and Rav Uziel, they called the State of Israel ‘the beginning of the flowering of our redemption’ (see also the article by Rabbi Ari Yitzchak Shevat, ‘On Hazal, Rabbi Herzog, and the certainty that there will not be a third destruction’ (Tzohar 21, viewable online).

Rav Kook’s aim in establishing ‘Degel Yerushalayim’ was practical:
A. To integrate into the work of building and settling the Land also religious circles whom partnership with secular Zionism deterred, and therefore he proposed that ‘Degel Yerushalayim’ should deal with encouraging immigration and religious settlement without dependence on the Zionist movement.
B. To work for the ‘revival of the sacred,’ for building the spiritual life of the people of Israel in their land: religious education in the new yishuv, fostering literature and culture of faith, Torah-gathering enterprises such as the Talmudic Encyclopedia, Halakhah Berurah, and a commentary on the Gra’s glosses to the Shulchan Arukh, and the like, which would collect and organize all the halakhic material of all generations as a basis for halakhic confrontation with modern problems; the establishment of a world assembly of rabbis to discuss solving halakhic problems; the establishment of a central yeshiva whose students would grow not only in Talmud and halakhah but also in Jewish thought, in order to find a remedy for the soul of the generation through a proper explanation of Judaism.

All the great plans that Rav Kook assigned to ‘Degel Yerushalayim’ were later adopted by various groups—Zionist and Haredi—and not infrequently it is דווקא the lack of awareness of the redemptive significance that increases the motivation and self-confidence to realize great projects.

Regards, Admon Akavia Lichtman-Lederer HaMeiri

Recently, the testimony of Rabbi Neta Tzvi Greenblatt (rabbi of Memphis), who knew Rav Kook in his youth, was published. Among other things, Rabbi Rosenblatt related that Rav Kook heard a Torah scholar who was enthused by the building of the Land and said that one sees here ‘the footsteps of the Messiah.’ Rav Kook replied to him that as long as the Vatican still stands in its place, we have not yet reached ‘the footsteps of the Messiah.’ It seems that there are stages in the growth of redemption, and ‘the footsteps of the Messiah’ is among the more advanced ones…

Tirgitz (2022-05-30)

A. Seemingly, the conceptual discussion of conservative change is relevant only regarding authority (substantive and/or formal). If there is no authority and every Torah scholar today has the power of Hazal in every respect, then everyone will interpret according to what seems right to him, and there is no (any?) importance to the question of whether this is conservatism and of what kind. Clearly the Tannaim did many things—in interpretation, in derashot, in their own independent reasoning from which they generated laws (for example, whether there is retroactive clarification), and the Amoraim too (and also the Rishonim) did not refrain. Without the assumption that change is problematic—that is, the assumption of authority—what importance is there to the discussion whether this is change or not?
B. It seems obvious that a main difference between modern conservatives and non-modern conservatives is the question of authority: whether it is primarily formal (modern conservatives) or also substantive (non-modern conservatives), no? Formal authority by itself is rather a broken reed.

And for further study (2022-05-30)

On Rav Kook’s ‘Degel Yerushalayim,’ see Rabbi Avraham Wasserman’s book, Kore LaDegel – Rav Kook and ‘Degel Yerushalayim,’ the Forgotten Alternative to the Zionist Movement, Har Berakhah Institute, 5780. Also his lecture series on ‘Degel Yerushalayim’ (on the ‘Yeshivat Ramat Gan’ website), and his lectures: ‘The Revival of Degel Yerushalayim’ and ‘"And he went to their souls" – a new self-definition’ (on the ‘Yeshiva’ website).

See also the articles by Rabbi Dov Bigon, ‘Banners of an Eternal Nation and Degel Yerushalayim’ (on the ‘Kipa’ website), and Rabbi Yehuda Zoldan, ‘Rav Kook’s Degel Yerushalayim – the sprout that did not blossom’ (on the ‘Makor Rishon’ website), and the literature cited in the entry ‘Degel Yerushalayim’ (movement) on Wikipedia.

Regards, Aaleh

‘Covenant of Fate’ and ‘Covenant of Destiny’ (2022-05-30)

It can be said briefly that the difference between ‘the Banner of Zion’ and ‘the Banner of Jerusalem’ in Rav Kook’s thought parallels the difference between the ‘Covenant of Fate’ and the ‘Covenant of Destiny’ in The Voice of My Beloved Knocks by Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik.

General Zionism too sought in Zionism not only the existential aspect of the people’s return to independent life in its land, but also the value-laden vision—whether the vision of Ahad Ha’am and the like of the free ‘new Jew,’ or the vision of the just egalitarian society of the Labor Movement.

By contrast, Religious Zionism saw the value-laden vision in the renewed connection of the people to the creation of a ‘complete stature,’ in which there is a joining of spiritual life with practical life, and the expansion of Torah life from the narrow circle of individual and communal life to a society and a state that represents and realizes, as a public and as a state, the Torah and its values.

With blessings for a good month, Ami’oz Yaron Schnitzler

Michi (2022-05-30)

A. Indeed, correct.
B. Not necessarily, but in many cases that is the situation. There can be non-modern conservatives who accept only formal authority, but still adhere to it.

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