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Norton’s Dome (Column 687)

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A brief look at determinism

I have often discussed here the question of determinism: a view according to which the present state fixes the future uniquely—i.e., it cannot be that the same history yields two different futures. This touches on the human being and our relation to the rest of nature: it is commonly thought that “nature” (inanimate, vegetative, animal) is determinist; the open question is only the human being—does a person have free will?

From the early 20th century, quantum theory developed and exhibited non-deterministic domains (at least according to the common interpretations). Chaos theory came later and is often (mistakenly) presented as undermining determinism; but I have written more than once that chaos does not deny determinism. What it presents is a computational difficulty in predicting the future; the future itself, given complete data, is uniquely determined. By contrast, in quantum theory—again, at least in the common interpretations—it appears there really is a departure from determinism.

As for classical physics—once one sets chaos aside—there is wall-to-wall agreement that it is entirely determinist.


Determinism and reversibility in Newtonian mechanics

The laws of physics—and in particular Newtonian mechanics—are described by differential equations that determine the next state from the present one. In effect, given complete knowledge of the present (and sufficient computational power), one can fix the future categorically.

For those unfamiliar with the derivative, here is a brief reminder. Suppose X(t)X(t) records, say, the position of a body as a function of time. We may ask about the rate of change of XX with time: how fast it changes, and in which direction. The derivative quantifies this:

(1) \displaystyle \dot X ;=; \frac{\Delta x}{\Delta t}

If during \Delta t = 2 seconds the position changes by \Delta x = 10 meters, the average rate is 5 m/s. Passing to ever smaller \Delta t gives the instantaneous rate. Differentiating once more gives the acceleration (\ddot X)—the rate of change of velocity.

Newton’s second law ties this to force:

(2) \displaystyle m,\ddot X ;=; F(X,t)

Here m is mass, X is position, and F is the force (which may depend on position and on time). Solving such an equation means finding the function X(t)—the full trajectory. To do so uniquely one must add initial conditions: the position and velocity at some initial time. With those specified, the mechanics is (classically) fully deterministic.

A further feature is time reversibility: if we film a Newtonian process and run the film backwards, we get another legitimate Newtonian process. The equations are second-order in time; replacing t by -t leaves the structure intact.


Norton’s Dome

Now to the “dome.” Consider a perfectly symmetric dome whose radial cross-section is given (in cylindrical coordinates) by

(3) \displaystyle Z ;=; \frac{2b^2}{3g}, r^{3/2},, \qquad 0< r < \frac{g^2}{b^4}

Here r is the horizontal distance from the apex along the surface, Z is the vertical height (measured downward from the apex), g is the gravitational acceleration, and b is a positive constant.

Place a frictionless point-mass (“a tiny bead”) at rest exactly at the apex. By symmetry, the tangential component of gravity along the surface turns out to be proportional to \sqrt r, so the radial equation of motion (again, idealizing: no friction, only gravity) is:

(4) \displaystyle \ddot r ;=; b^2,\sqrt{r}

Impose the natural initial conditions of “rest on the top”:

r(0)=0,\qquad \dot r(0)=0.

It turns out there are two kinds of solutions:

(5a) \displaystyle r(t)\equiv 0 (the bead stays forever at the apex);

(5b)\displaystyle r(t)=\begin{cases}<br /> 0, & t\le T,\\[4pt]<br /> \frac{1}{144}\,\bigl[b\,(t-T)\bigr]^4, & t\ge T<br /> \end{cases}

for any arbitrary T\in\mathbb{R}.

Interpretation: the bead can wait atop the dome for an arbitrary duration T and then, with no external trigger and from zero velocity, spontaneously begin to slide down. Because of the dome’s rotational symmetry it may do so in any horizontal direction. Thus there are infinitely many solutions: for every choice of T and every direction.

By time-reversal, one also gets the mirror family: a bead that comes up the dome from some direction, slows down exactly at the apex, sits there for an arbitrary time, and (run backwards) “came from” a spontaneous start at some earlier T.

Why doesn’t this happen on a spherical dome? On a true sphere, to arrive at rest exactly at the top requires an ascent that takes infinite time; conversely, to start from exact rest on top would require rewinding from an infinite past—there is no finite-time “takeoff.” Norton’s special profile (3) avoids that and permits finite-time departure.


Why this is a paradox

This looks like a direct contradiction of Newtonian determinism. We supplied perfectly good initial data (r(0)=\dot r(0)=0), yet multiple futures are possible: the bead may remain forever, or depart at any time T in any direction. Nothing in the system “chooses” T or the direction; it is as if there is spontaneous motion “for no reason.”

How to respond to a paradox? In general, we have a few options:

  1. Find a mistake in the reasoning.

  2. Reject one of the assumptions.

  3. Give up the contested conclusion.

  4. Or admit tzarich iyyun (“needs investigation”) and suspend judgment.

Here, the mathematics looks correct; and even if one were to reject Newton’s laws as a true description of nature, the paradox arises from the equations themselves, not from experiment. So the third path—abandoning determinism derived from Newton—is the one the dome seems to force: perhaps Newton’s laws (despite being differential equations) are not always determinist.

For discussion of background and related issues (Hebrew), see the Q&A here:

https://mikyab.net/%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/%D7%93%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%96%D7%9D-%D7%95%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%A9%D7%9C-%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%95%D7%9F/


Is determinism really just a corollary of Newton?

What makes Norton’s example so unsettling is that determinism is not merely a reading of Newton’s equations—it is also tied to causality: nothing happens without a cause. If Newton’s laws sometimes fail to be determinist, then even if they are a decent approximation, they cannot be the correct description of the physical world, which (at least classically) we expect to be causal and determinist. Events should not occur without causes; the time and direction of the bead’s motion should be the result of some cause, not arbitrary.

Yes, quantum theory suggests there may be genuinely non-causal phenomena (depending on interpretation—hidden variables, non-local causality, etc.). But our classical intuition about causality remains powerful. If we don’t give it up quickly for quantum mechanics, all the more so we should not abandon it for classical mechanics.


Common “resolutions”

One often-noted point (see the literature) is that at r=0 the force law embodied in (4) is not Lipschitz/“nice” enough; uniqueness theorems for ODEs fail, and the non-uniqueness of solutions is mathematically allowed. But that observation alone does not solve the physical problem; at most it says: Newton’s equations, taken with such potentials/shapes, need not be determinist—and thus cannot be a faithful representation of nature in such cases.

A different line (raised in the discussion I saw) is to rewrite Newton’s second law as: “When no force acts, there is no acceleration; when a force acts, there is.” Up to t=T the bead is stationary at the apex and the tangential component vanishes, so \ddot r=0 there; past T, the force becomes nonzero and motion begins. But this does not explain how the system passes from the apex (where the tangential component is zero) to any neighboring point where it is nonzero, without something that causes that departure. The step where the law “turns on” remains opaque.


“There is no square since the Six Days of Creation”: a quick fix?

My initial thought was that the issue lies in the shape: the function defining the dome has a cusp at the apex so that second derivatives (curvatures) misbehave there. Perhaps such a shape cannot exist in the physical world: nature, so to speak, does not produce true cusps and second-derivative discontinuities.

Said differently: to speak of an object with perfect, cusp-like features requires arbitrarily fine spatial resolution; but at sufficiently fine scales, the classical continuum picture breaks down and quantum/atomic granularity rules. In that regime, classical mechanics does not apply; the analysis is simply not about the physical world. In a “rounded” reality without perfect cusps, the paradoxical behavior would not arise.

An old rabbinic quip captures the intuition: “Since the Six Days of Creation, there is no (perfect) square”—i.e., nature yields rounded, differentiable forms; sharp corners are the work of intentional craftsmanship, not spontaneous nature (cf. Tosefta Ma’aserot ch. 3; Yerushalmi Ma’aserot 5:3). Even where nature seems to make peaks, on closer inspection the second derivative exists and behaves—our choice of variables may create apparent non-smoothness, but nature itself “likes” continuity and differentiability. See also the mathematical notion of density in number theory for an analogy of “no nearest point” on a continuum: https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A6%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%AA_(%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%AA_%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D)


Bottom line

It seems we can retain: (a) the causal–determinist intuition for classical physics; and (b) Newton’s laws as an excellent description of classical reality—provided we exclude idealized shapes/conditions that cannot occur in the physical world (true cusps, perfect non-Lipschitz features, etc.). That is already a substantial conclusion, but a digestible one.

For a related earlier column, see here:

https://mikyab.net/translated-articles-rabbi-michael-abraham/post-83362

Discussion

Y.D. (2025-01-13)

Regarding the continuity of nature, there is also the hairy ball theorem, which is a consequence of Brouwer's fixed-point theorem:
https://www.hamichlol.org.il/%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%98_%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%93%D7%95%D7%A8_%D7%94%D7%A9%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A8

Yinon (2025-01-13)

I don’t have the tools to understand the mathematical calculations (to my shame, and because of my contempt for the field when I was young), but I really enjoyed the jokes the rabbi inserted every other second and the various priceless, nonstop references. Maybe the rabbi will one day write a book of nonsense for hours that are neither of the day nor of the night. And even if I came to the column only for a laugh, that’s enough. Thank you, Rabbi.

mozer (2025-01-13)

It seems puzzling to me – even if we say that one can idealize things – after all, the ball sitting on the tip of the dome is resting on
a point – zero area – and therefore exerts infinite pressure on it. That pressure will change the shape of the dome;
it will create a little hollow in which the ball will sit securely. And one cannot say that the ball has no mass – because then the force of gravity would not act.
Moreover – from reading Wikipedia I understood – the quantity r in the formula is the distance between the vertex and the ball –
along the surface – and that distance creates a circle on the surface – the ball has to decide where and when it
begins to move – and also in which direction?
Perhaps writing the formulas while taking the three-dimensionality of the model into account would yield a unique answer?

Michi (2025-01-13)

An interesting remark. If the contact is at a mathematical point, then the pressure is not defined at all. The area of a point is not 0. A point has no area. It’s like what I wrote here in the past about the difference between a point (which has no length) and an infinitesimal (a line whose length is 0).
I didn’t understand the second part. That’s what I wrote: the little ball chooses the direction and the time.

ilan kander (2025-01-14)

Perhaps in this case it would have been appropriate to present the problem of the ball’s stability on the vertex as a rhetorical question and answer given by Thomas Aquinas.

Michi (2025-01-14)

I didn’t understand a thing.

Eilon (2025-01-14)

I don’t understand how this case is different from many cases in physics where one solves a differential equation for a certain case and rejects some of the solutions because they are not “physical.” For example, the case of an electric monopole whose charge oscillates sinusoidally in time. In such a case there are two solutions: one that goes forward in time – electromagnetic radiation that propagates outward from the particle sinusoidally (the wavefront is spherical) – and one that goes backward in time (a spherical wavefront of radiation coming in from infinity and contracting toward the point where the charge is located, and when it reaches it, the charge pops into existence and its value begins to grow), which in fact expresses the description in which the field generates the charge instead of the other way around. After all, we know that the equations of mechanics and electromagnetism are mathematical, and you already wrote in your book on the sciences of freedom that mathematics cannot express the concept of causality, in which there is a forward direction in time, because the equations are symmetric under time reversal. There are also cases where a solution blows up at a certain point in space and its value reaches infinity, and we also reject that on the understanding that there are no infinite quantities at a certain point in space in physics.

So the same thing here. There are infinitely many non-physical solutions, since they are not deterministic. In short, the ruling belongs not to mathematics; the latter is only a tool in the physicist’s hands for understanding reality, but it does not replace his direct intuition and direct understanding. Just as one cannot force causality into the equations of physics, and it also does not follow from them (because symmetry under time reversal is usually considered a necessary requirement), so too with determinism.

Michi (2025-01-14)

The difference is that here the initial conditions are complete, and nevertheless the solution is not unique. That does not happen with a wave that propagates forward and backward. Moreover, here all the solutions are physical, and none of them can be ruled out.

Aryeh (2025-01-15)

You could also say that there is a point mass here, and there is no such thing in reality (the presentation of a ball on a dome is only an illustration, and if one has to calculate for a real ball it becomes more complicated). You could also say that the gravitational field is uniform and homogeneous, and there is no such thing in reality either (on Earth gravity is approximately radial), and so on and so forth, but in my opinion none of that is relevant. It is similar to friction, which exists in the real world but not in the thought experiment that simplifies things in order to convey its message. That message still comes through even after these objections, because it touches the foundations of physics, and if there is a problem in the foundations, the problem will not disappear because of the details.
In other words, it is probably possible to find a trio of shapes (planet + dome + mass) such that even after the deformation due to gravity, and even after there is a contact surface with a distributed rather than point force, one still gets a force field that apparently produces the anomaly.
It may be that this is also the answer to Michi, who argued that in the real world all shapes are differentiable infinitely many times, or at least twice (a claim I am really not sure about).

Mordechai Katan (2025-01-26)

I didn’t understand the mathematics, only the general topic. From what I did understand, the conclusion is that the dome in question does not belong to classical reality, but perhaps to quantum reality. But in any case, apparently there is here a proof that at least in quantum reality there is no determinism, unlike the various explanations that try to preserve determinism even at the quantum level. Did I understand that point correctly?

Michi (2025-01-26)

No. The conclusion is that there is no such dome. It has no connection to quantum theory or to determinism within it.

Lior (2025-01-26)

With God’s help
What do you think about the following idea: every segment of the ball’s path on the dome is actually a multiple of pi.
And pi cannot be created exactly
in a discrete material world, and therefore such a reality cannot exist
[similar to there being no “sharp tip” in the style of the solution]
(As an aside, a dome is really only a “technical” solution, but conceptually this could be applied to a circle.)

Michi (2025-01-27)

There is nothing special about pi as a length. Moreover, a fraction of pi can also be an integer. It also depends: pi of what? (pi meters, centimeters, or pi-units?) Besides, there is no pi here at all. In short, irrelevant.

Haggai (2025-01-27)

Maybe this is more of an engineering question – is it impossible to create a magnetic field in the shape of a perfect geodesic dome?

Michi (2025-01-27)

I didn’t understand.

Haggai (2025-01-27)

If I understand correctly – the problem with implementing Norton’s experiment is that at the atomic level it is impossible to create a non-smooth surface with a sharp tip at its top.
If that is indeed the problem – can one technically create a magnetic field with a “tip” on which we could place a metal ball and realize the equation in a real experiment?

Michi (2025-01-28)

It’s not specifically related to the atom. Nature is differentiable. Therefore, in a magnetic field too it is probably not possible. Beyond that, the equations of motion in a magnetic field are different.

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