Q&A: What Is the Logic of Prayer?
What Is the Logic of Prayer?
Question
Quite often, a person’s prayer comes in response to suffering he is experiencing, or in order to prevent future suffering. My question is: what is the logic behind prayers of this kind? After all, the Holy One, blessed be He, created the world in such a way that human beings would undergo all sorts of experiences, and suffering is one of them. If someone prays that the Holy One, blessed be He, save him from his suffering, he is in effect asking Him to do something against His original will—that human beings should, among other things, also experience suffering. In other words, I assume that the Holy One, blessed be He, had some reason for creating the world with all sorts of evils and afflictions, Heaven forbid, meaning that this too is part of His will. If so, what is the logic of asking the Holy One, blessed be He, to do something against His will?
Answer
Hello Oren.
Some would tell you that He created suffering so that we would pray (“the Holy One, blessed be He, longs for the prayers of the righteous”), and therefore there is no problem praying and removing the suffering. Alternatively, once we have prayed, we no longer deserve the suffering.
But none of this is necessary in my view. I do not think He intervenes in the world nowadays, and therefore in my opinion there really is no point in praying about this (except perhaps in extreme cases where maybe He does intervene. But it’s not worth building on that). At the same time, from that same perspective it is also not correct to say that He wants us to suffer. It is a side effect of the laws of nature.
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Questioner (another one):
Hello Rabbi, I saw that in the answer the Rabbi wrote that he does not believe in major intervention by the Holy One, blessed be He, in the world, and I wanted to ask why the Rabbi thinks that. And doesn’t that contradict the principle that everything God does is for the good, which clearly assumes that everything that happens in the world is a derivative of the will of the Holy One, blessed be He, along with many other sources in the Talmud that testify that God directs every single thing in our world…
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Rabbi:
Sources in the Talmud are one thing, since the Talmud has no authority in matters of belief and theology, only in Jewish law. Matters of belief generally deal with factual claims and not norms, and the Sages, being human, could err in their understanding of reality. But the Torah itself does speak this way (“And I will give your rains in their season,” etc.). I have written on my site more than once that apparently this mode of divine governance has changed, and just as miracles and prophecy disappeared, perhaps the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, in the world also disappeared. He is disconnecting from us. See here:
In my book on theology (currently being written) I expand on this at great length.
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Yair:
Doesn’t that contradict lots of things in Judaism?
-In the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) they prayed for healing.
-In the prayer service, in many places, we pray for healing for all the sick.
-The Talmud relates that they prayed for this.
-“A person should never withhold himself from seeking mercy.”
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Rabbi:
I’ve answered this here several times already. I’ll paste here an answer I wrote just today to that same question (that this contradicts Talmudic passages):
Sources in the Talmud are one thing, since the Talmud has no authority in matters of belief and theology, only in Jewish law. Matters of belief generally deal with factual claims and not norms, and the Sages, being human, could err in their understanding of reality. But the Torah itself does speak this way (“And I will give your rains in their season,” etc.). I have written on my site more than once that apparently this mode of divine governance has changed, and just as miracles and prophecy disappeared, perhaps the involvement of the Holy One, blessed be He, in the world also disappeared. He is disconnecting from us. See here:
In my book on theology (currently being written) I expand on this at great length.
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Yair:
As someone who wants to accept your answer, how am I supposed to go on coming to synagogue and praying with intention after such a new worldview, which says that the Holy One, blessed be He, probably won’t do anything about the sick person I’m praying for, or the livelihood I’m asking for, and so on?
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Rabbi:
Hello Yair.
First, whether to accept or not accept my answer is not a matter of desire (whether you want to accept it or not), but of persuasion and thought. If you agree—accept it, and if not—don’t. If you have reached the conclusion that this is indeed the correct picture, then the question of the meaning of prayer can arise.
I also deal with this in the above-mentioned book. Briefly, I would say that the parts beyond requests are not problematic. Even thanksgiving can be directed toward the creation of the world and its laws, which enable us to function here. The problematic part is requests. Here I really would minimize them greatly, and focus only on the obligatory text instituted by the Men of the Great Assembly (which would be hard to change, and one can have in mind the people who need it—see below), and not on personal requests. Personal requests may perhaps have a place in cases where all options have been exhausted (there is no natural solution), or when it is very, very important to you. As I mentioned, there are situations in which perhaps He does intervene (I do not know), and perhaps about that one may ask. But as stated, don’t build on it. Usually, in my estimation, it is not answered (as they say: there is a presumption that prayer returns empty. Sorry for the cynicism).
This is, of course, contrary to the accepted education—that one should ask for everything, and everything depends on Him. On the contrary, they preach to us not to turn to Him only when all options have been exhausted, but in every matter. Well, in my opinion, that is not so.
Discussion on Answer
They would probably tell you that the need to say it is for our sake. Prayer works on us, and that is how we become worthy of help. Some see prayer as a kind of spiritual mechanism that activates the channels of divine abundance (Nefesh HaChaim).
Following up on this question: according to those who hold that prayer is effective, why does it matter to the Holy One, blessed be He, whether we verbalize the desires of our hearts, if in any case He knows what they are before we express them? And even if we say that matters of the heart are not considered matters unless spoken, what is the point of repeating the same request three times a day every day (say, “heal us,” or “graciously grant us knowledge”)? Logically, it seems to me that it should be enough to ask for something like that once in a lifetime, and from then on just hope for the best.