Q&A: Having Trouble Forming Stable and Complete Positions
Having Trouble Forming Stable and Complete Positions
Question
Avi is not an educated person. We argue quite a lot and I keep asking myself why I invest so much effort trying to get him to understand things that, in my opinion and to the best of my judgment, he doesn’t understand or misses even though all my past attempts ended in complete failure??
Last Sabbath I realized that I’m actually refusing to put him into a category called “people you can’t talk to” or“people who are trapped in their own subjectivity”.
I realized maybe even more than that. That I refuse to accept the existence of such a category. Because how do I know that I can’t talk with him? What, just because he doesn’t understand what I understand or am trying to say?? How do I know that I’m not the closed-minded one, and that I’m the kind of person you can’t talk to (as he often claims)?? So many times I try to get him if not to agree then at the very least to understand what I’m trying to say but it just fails again and again.
Inside my mind he is perceived as a closed-minded person who is afraid to even consider (really though) the possibility that the fact that he grasps or thinks something doesn’t directly prove that it’s true.
Inside my mind he is perceived as someone who lacks the intellectual sharpness and emotional breadth required to understand the complexity of things the way I, maybe, often do manage to do (not from a place of pride or contempt God forbid!)
There’s always with me in our conversations the feeling that he simply doesn’t understand the issue!!!!! It’s present in me so strongly!!!
But then I think of the fact (which he often mentions) that he too, exactly like me, experiences that same frustration from the fact that he identifies that I simply don’t understand anything and that he cannot lead me to see things without the blindness and distortion I’m immersed in. (“You’re too clever for your own good,” he says to me. Or, “your mind is warped and distorted.”) I feel that this prevents me from having the ability to form in a finished way, one that settles things in the soul in a stable way (as much as possible, of course, since there is no certainty about anything) my position regarding the issues under discussion. How do you solve this problem?
On the one hand I feel that my view is truer than his and that he doesn’t understand things deeply. But on the other hand that same psychological-intellectual structure that creates my opinions on those matters also forces me to think that maybe I’m the one who is wrong and the one who doesn’t grasp the depth of things and not him… Whatdo I do??????
Answer
I don’t think you need to solve the problem. Your job is to form a position for yourself, not for your father. Listen very carefully to what he has to say and decide whether it convinces you or not. That’s all. As for his own views—leave them to him (you can of course present your arguments to him, and whether he accepts them or not is his business). The Hazon Ish writes in a letter that he does not usually enter into arguments, because people are not convinced.
Discussion on Answer
I understand. As I wrote, you’re supposed to use your head to the best of your ability, and that’s it. Beyond that, there’s nothing you can do, and therefore nothing more you need to do. Read about this in Column 247:
מחלוקת עמיתים (peer disagreement), או: למה האחר לא צודק כמוני? (טור 247)
Human beings are closed off around their positions; that’s what a position means.
The logical arguments for positions come afterward as excuse and manipulation to justify a stance whose source is really emotional.
And of course you’ll justify your own position, because no person regards himself as wicked.
i think it’s just a psychological blockage nothing more..and Rabbi Michi is simply the wrong address for it..
The Rabbi didn’t understand the problem I’m trying to solve. I didn’t want to know how to convince my father, despite the fact that I see him as someone I can’t talk to.
The problem is that although I recognize that I hold more sides of the issue in mind than he does, I still can’t settle in my heart the conclusion that he’s simply closed off and doesn’t understand. I’m always in doubt whether maybe I’m the one who doesn’t understand, and I can’t place him in the category of people with whom it’s simply impossible to have a real conversation.
I’d be glad if the Rabbi would read it again and answer in light of that.
Thanks