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A treatise on a remote city.

שו"תA treatise on a remote city.
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The Rambam rules that the children of the workers in the remote city are also killed, but the Manach makes it difficult. If so, witnesses who testify about the remote city cannot be punished for "when they plotted," since you cannot kill their child (for him or his offspring), and if so, this is evidence that you cannot plot.
My rabbi explained that the plot to kill the children was not a plot against the worker himself, but rather a plot against the children as "the children of a worker in a remote city," and if so, the witnesses plotted to kill a few people and nothing more. (This is not similar to the witnesses testifying against the son of a divorced woman, where the impermissibility of killing children is a consequence of the impermissibility of killing the father).
I am not entirely sure that I would accept the excuse even if it were not for Maimonides in the Laws of Repentance (Chapter 6, Halacha 1), who says that part of the reward and punishment in this world are repaid by a person with his body, his property, and his young children, since young children are like a person's property. In that case, the problem returned to the Dokhta, since they plotted to harm his property, such as his children, and their plot was not carried out.
I wanted to know whether, in the Rabbi's opinion, it is possible to bring evidence from the Rambam in the laws of repentance, that is, does the Rambam, even in the halakhic sections, only write laws that can be determined precisely?


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Simply put, evidence can be presented, although the litigant may disagree. It is also not clear that these are legends. Although I am not sure that there is evidence for the matter itself, even if evidence can be provided from legends. What the Rambam writes in the Teshuvah is that in principle a man is atoned for by his sons (for example, for the sin of vows, his sons die), but this does not mean that even in a remote city when his sons die, it is a punishment for him. It is possible that there it is actually an obligation to destroy them and not a punishment for him. But as for the essence of the issue, I don't think it's necessary to reach your rabbi's words. According to the Manach's method, how do you accept testimony about a divorced woman's son? After all, it cannot be conspired. The whippings are the application of the "when they conspired" (and not just whippings for not answering, otherwise the testimony could not be accepted because conspired is impossible). If so, it can also be said that the killing of the children in the remote city is indeed a punishment for the father, and yet this testimony can be conspired, since the witnesses who were conspired were beaten like the witnesses of the divorced woman's son. It should be noted that here the whippings are a death penalty and not a personal status penalty for the divorced woman's son, and perhaps in the 23rd century it was not a "when they conspired" case.

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