On the Role and Authority of a Halakhic Decisor (Column 275)
With God's help
For Rivka, my daughter, may she live long, a budding philosopher destined for greatness. And for my son Yossi, who in this very column has already spared you, dear readers, several parentheses (see the footnotes).
A few weeks ago I came across an article by Hagai Huberman (Matzav HaRuach, Parashat Vayigash 5780, issue 566) about a conference of rabbis at which current issues of Jewish law were discussed. Among other things, they discussed the "smart home," that is, a situation in which various household functions (air conditioning, electrical appliances, dishwasher, and more) can be activated automatically, without human touch, in ways that generally do not involve prohibited categories of labor on the Sabbath.
The problem was presented there as follows:
The technology of the future raises a very difficult halakhic problem: from a technical point of view in Jewish law, the labors are becoming less and less 'human,' and therefore less prohibited; yet at the same time, using this technology throughout the Sabbath will turn the Sabbath into a weekday and completely change our Sabbath atmosphere. What should Jewish law's attitude toward this issue be?…
It may be that no clause in the Shulchan Aruch will be found to prohibit it, but the Sabbath itself will disappear on the horizon. How should one rule? What should the process of halakhic decision-making be?
It goes without saying that this is an extension of the question of electricity and modern technological means on the Sabbath, which has already been discussed by halakhic decisors for over a century (see, for example, Wikipedia, s.v. 'Electricity on the Sabbath'). These devices make a person's actions indirect causation (grama) at worst, and perhaps even less severe. In discussions of electricity on the Sabbath, there is a widespread sense that the prohibition did not arise from purely halakhic considerations,[1] but rather that it was clear to the decisors that it had to be prohibited, and they merely looked for a way to do so. Thus various decisors came to tie the use of electricity to the categories of building, kindling, or generating current, some of which seem like strained and problematic mechanisms.[2]
At that same conference, Rabbi Yaakov Ariel raised a claim regarding the "smart home" that puts this way of thinking squarely on the table:
Rabbi Ariel said that the drift must be stopped at its outset, and that all automatic matters must be prohibited. "Whatever is not accepted today must not be accepted tomorrow either," Rabbi Ariel said.
Notice that there is not even an attempt here to cover the matter of the source of the prohibition. Rabbi Ariel proposes a sweeping prohibition, without presenting a halakhic mechanism (such as subsuming these prohibitions under some primary category of labor or derivative thereof), for everything that does not exist today. He contents himself with presenting the problem and the motivational considerations.
In this column I wanted to touch on several aspects of this problematic claim. Let me preface by saying that the article gives only a very brief quotation, so it is difficult to know exactly what Rabbi Ariel meant by his words. But since arguments of these patterns are very common among halakhic decisors, I will use his remarks to discuss this collection of arguments in its own right.
An Interesting Precedent
Such a consideration can be seen in the responsa Igrot Moshe (Orach Chayim IV, sec. 60), regarding the use of a Sabbath clock. He raises the possibility of prohibiting it without finding a source in the primary categories of labor and their derivatives, simply because if the Sages were alive today they would certainly prohibit it:
Now in my humble opinion it is obvious that one may not permit this, for by means of such a timer all labor could be done on the Sabbath, in all factories as well, and there is no greater degradation of the Sabbath than this. And it is clear that had this existed in the time of the Tannaim and Amoraim, they would have prohibited it, just as they prohibited instructing a non-Jew for this reason...
Notice that this consideration is very similar to what we saw above. On the one hand, the motivation is to prohibit in order to prevent severe damage to the character of the Sabbath. But beyond the motivation, he too does not try to anchor the prohibition in existing halakhic sources (a primary category of labor or a derivative) but argues that it should be prohibited across the board because if the Sages were alive today they would prohibit it.
However, his conclusion there seems to refuse to rely on such a consideration alone in order to prohibit, and he looks for an existing halakhic source:
But even if we were to say that only what the Sages enacted may be forbidden, and that we cannot derive from this to forbid also what is severe on logical grounds, since in any case they did not forbid it—even if that was because this matter did not exist in the days of the Sages—still, this has no actual prohibition. Nevertheless, it should not be permitted, since it is something fit to be forbidden.
That is, in the end there is also a reason to prohibit the matter by an ordinary halakhic mechanism (for example, under the law of instructing a non-Jew; see his discussion there). Later he writes to prohibit it on the grounds of demeaning the Sabbath:
But there is strong reason to prohibit it on other grounds, namely because it degrades the Sabbath; indeed, they prohibited many things because they degrade both the Sabbath and a Jewish holiday. Since it is clear that there is degradation of the Sabbath here, it falls under this prohibition automatically, even though this specific case was not separately prohibited, because the very concept of degradation is what is prohibited. It also seems obvious to me that one who does something that degrades the Sabbath actively violates the obligation of honoring it, which appears to be a Torah obligation as explained by the Prophets, as Maimonides writes at the beginning of chapter 30 of the laws of Sabbath… And Maimonides there, halakhah 2, explains the acts one is obligated to do in honor of the Sabbath; it follows that things whose performance degrades the Sabbath likewise violate this commandment of honoring the Sabbath, and this is even worse, since he violates it through an act. Therefore, even if we were to say that this is not included in the rabbinic decrees, even without any special need he still actively violates the obligation to honor the Sabbath. And that this constitutes degradation is something anyone can understand; therefore, in my humble opinion, it stands to reason that it is forbidden to set on Friday, by means of a timer, the electricity to perform labor on the following day.
His argument is that demeaning the Sabbath is an existing prohibition in Jewish law. This consideration is one of several umbrella prohibitions that concern the character of the Sabbath, honor and delight, weekday-type conduct (uvdin de-chol), and the like. Bottom line, Igrot Moshe apparently is not willing to accept this type of consideration as the sole basis for a prohibition. The reason is quite clear. If we seize the reins in this way, the list of labors that appears in the Mishnah of Kelal Gadol is no longer binding. Every generation will build its own list, whether leniently or stringently.
A Note on the Classification of Labor on the Sabbath
Beyond the principled discussion that I will want to conduct later, precisely with regard to prohibitions of labor on the Sabbath there may perhaps be room for this type of consideration. According to at least one of the views in Tosafot at the beginning of Bava Kamma (2a; see Maharsha and Maharam there), the thirty-nine primary categories of labor are all the significant labors (not necessarily only those that were in the Tabernacle). The Sages surveyed all the labors known to them, selected from among them the significant ones,[3] and these were fixed as the thirty-nine primary categories of labor.
If so, there is room to say that there is nothing sacrosanct about the rabbinic list, and in our day, when the use of electricity is a significant labor, it should be prohibited as a newly defined primary category of labor, even without the need to anchor it in an existing category of labor. At least according to the approach I described above, it is not reasonable to see sanctity in the rabbinic classification, which is a product of their period and the environment in which they operated. On the contrary, it would be more correct and straightforward in every generation to choose the thirty-nine significant labors and determine that they are the primary categories of labor. That is precisely the meaning of the statement by Igrot Moshe that if the Sages were alive today they would regard this as a primary category of labor and prohibit it by Torah law. Here is a novelty for you: not every innovation is lenient, and not every conservatism is stringent. There are also innovations and halakhic revolution whose meaning is stringency.
Considerations of the Character of the Sabbath
Considerations of character arise quite often among halakhic decisors, especially regarding the Sabbath. Some rely on the well-known words of Nachmanides (on Parashat Emor, also cited by Ritva to Rosh Hashanah 34) about a Torah-level shevut (rest restriction). Nachmanides argues that the Torah prohibits actions that do not constitute labor solely in order to prevent harm to the Sabbath and its transformation into a weekday. The example usually given is a prohibition on commerce and opening shops on the Sabbath, even if one sells on credit and without violating formal halakhic prohibitions. Decisors extrapolate from this to many additional prohibitions (see, for example, here).
I have always wondered about considerations of character on the Sabbath. Quite a few things are prohibited (sometimes this is only in the subtext) on the ground that it just 'isn't done'; that is not how one behaves on the Sabbath. But this begs the question: you assume what the character of the Sabbath is and from that derive what harms it. If we assume that the character of the Sabbath is cessation from the set of prohibited labors, then anything not included in them does not harm the character of the Sabbath. And if not, then what exactly defines that character? For example, why does riding a bicycle harm the character of the Sabbath? Because we assume that one does not ride bicycles on the Sabbath. But if we permit it, then one does do so on the Sabbath, and that will therefore become part of the character of the Sabbath. My feeling is that in many cases, if not in all of them, considerations of Sabbath character are nothing but expressions of sheer conservatism (the desire to preserve the existing situation), and not some objective and correct consideration of character.[4]
There is, however, a related concept, and perhaps there is room to identify the two with one another, namely uvdin de-chol. Here, ostensibly, matters are better defined. When we come to discuss an action that is done on weekdays, then if we permit it on the Sabbath we erase the difference between Sabbath and weekday. That is already an objective definition, because it does not try to define the Sabbath from within itself but only in contrast to the weekdays. But even this is far from simple. For example, a prohibition on riding a bicycle on the Sabbath does indeed distinguish the Sabbath from weekdays, but that could very well also be a Sabbath marker. On the contrary, on weekdays one drives a motor vehicle, and the Sabbath has a special character: on the Sabbath one travels only by bicycle. Just think about Yom Kippur, which no one disputes has a very special character different from weekdays, and part of that character is based on bicycles in the streets.
Of course, not traveling by bicycle is even more Sabbath-like: on weekdays one travels both by car and by bicycle, whereas on the Sabbath one refrains from both. But this line of thought could lead us to prohibit wearing trousers or eating apples on the Sabbath. If we prohibit such actions, the Sabbath will certainly be far more distinctive than weekdays. The question of the boundary—how far one should go in preserving the uniqueness of the Sabbath—has no simple answer. In other words, the question of the character of the Sabbath seems vague, and in fact not defined at all.
If we return to the example of the smart home, why does automatic operation of air conditioners harm the character of the Sabbath? How is that different from eating apples or cake on the Sabbath? Is it because turning on an air conditioner is a prohibited action? But in a smart home this is not a prohibited action (which is why only now are we discussing whether to prohibit it). So what exactly is the problem? Moreover, how does this harm the character of the Sabbath more than operating air conditioners with a Sabbath clock? Does anyone really see a difference? In both situations the person did nothing. It is something that happened on its own. The obligation of cessation on the Sabbath falls on the person ("so that he may rest", 'so that he may rest') and not on the objects themselves (the cessation of utensils is not required according to Jewish law). The same is true of a dishwasher, which already today many people operate on the Sabbath by means of a Sabbath clock. What is special about the smart home, as opposed to all the technology that already exists today? Who decided that all these constitute harm to the character of the Sabbath? On the contrary, air conditioning on the Sabbath is a delight. It creates a distinction between Sabbath and weekday, but its main point is that on the Sabbath we suffer more. Is that really the goal of character-based prohibitions?[5]
A Note on Character-Based Prohibitions
In light of these remarks, one may of course wonder about the prohibitions that were already established in the Talmud because of uvdin de-chol and the character of the Sabbath (as well as regarding the example of commerce and opening shops in Nachmanides). After all, there too the Sages begged the question, and there too it is not clear what criterion they used to establish such prohibitions. Alternatively, if they did so, why should the sages of later generations not do the same?
That is a good question. But since these things were established by the Great Court (or in the Talmud, whose status is like that of the Sanhedrin), they have force. An authorized institution has the authority to determine that certain things run contrary, in its view, to the character of the Sabbath (even if I personally disagree, or think that the argument begs the question). It is enough that they have an intuition in their gut that this contradicts the proper character of the Sabbath in order to prohibit it. I can of course disagree with them, but there is "do not deviate" ('do not deviate'), and therefore their determination binds me. But when a decisor who does not sit in the Sanhedrin comes along, he cannot determine what the character of the Sabbath is unless he presents criteria. Such a decisor can only interpret the enactments of the Sages and the early courts, and not create new prohibitions. To bring a new action under the existing prohibitions of character and uvdin de-chol, he must present interpretive criteria that are persuasive enough to show that it is indeed included within them. Therefore I argue that the core of the problem arises when post-Talmudic decisors innovate character-based prohibitions. With regard to the Talmud, the problem is interpretive: what did the Talmudic sages think about the definition of the character of the Sabbath? But with regard to contemporary decisors, the problem is far more acute: they have no authority to establish such prohibitions. I will return to this point at greater length below.
What Exactly Was Rabbi Ariel's Consideration
As noted, his words were quoted in the article very briefly, and therefore it is difficult to know exactly what he meant. One possible way to understand him is that he meant to prohibit on the grounds of uvdin de-chol, or the character of the Sabbath, or the honor of the Sabbath. In that case all the points I have described until now arise, but despite the problems, arguments of character are a standard halakhic way of thinking. It does not seem that Rabbi Ariel meant to make that simple claim. From the description in the article, it appears more likely that he intended to prohibit all these actions as intrinsically prohibited, that is, to place them within the prohibitions of labor. If that is the move, then arguments about character are the basis and the motivation, but the halakhic mechanism to be employed is the prohibitions of labor.
It is important to understand the difference between these two tracks. A consideration of harm to the character of the Sabbath is not committed to the definition of the labor prohibitions. This is a policy consideration, and it is reasonable to entrust it to the discretion of the decisor (if we set aside the problems described above. Problematic as it may be, this is the accepted approach among decisors). This consideration is decided by the question of how much the character of the Sabbath is harmed by permitting the action under discussion. By contrast, the second type of consideration does not deal with the character of the Sabbath at all, but with the importance of the labor under discussion, or with the question of how similar it is to one of the primary or derivative categories of labor listed in the Mishnah of Kelal Gadol. This is a consideration fundamentally different from considerations of character and uvdin de-chol.
Notice that even under the second type of consideration there are two different shades:
- To find a primary category of labor or derivative under which this falls. That is, we must examine how similar the action under discussion is to one of the labors prohibited in the Mishnah and the Talmud. Admittedly, from the description of the problem it seems clear that there are no such labors in the Talmud, otherwise there would not be much novelty here. This is a prohibition like any other prohibition learned from an ordinary Talmudic source.
Yet at times it seems that decisors pile things up and define these actions as some category or another, building for example, merely so that they can prohibit them. This is the hiding of character-based considerations in the cloak of labor prohibitions. That is the feeling described above regarding the prohibition of electricity on the Sabbath.
- To prohibit them in their own right, as in the consideration of Igrot Moshe —that if the Sages were alive today they would prohibit these actions. Here we must examine the importance of the labor under discussion in its own right, and not necessarily its similarity to some primary category or derivative in the Talmud. This line of thought, which in my view is possible in principle, is not accepted by almost all decisors. We saw that even Igrot Moshe itself, which raises this possibility, ultimately qualifies it. Is this the halakhic revolution that Rabbi Ariel is proposing?
This is a very far-reaching proposal, and I would expect to see it presented explicitly and argued in detail, together with all the implications for our ability to make changes in Jewish law (including lenient ones). My bet is that Rabbi Ariel would not stand behind such a formulation. Would he be willing to abolish other primary categories of labor such as sheaf-gathering, winnowing, or sifting,[6] and perhaps carrying, which is a weak category of labor, in order to complete the list of thirty-nine primary categories? I have no doubt that he would not.
The Meaning of This Ambiguity[7]
The fact that it is difficult to distinguish between these two types of arguments is not accidental. It characterizes quite a few discussions that mix policy considerations with considerations of essence, or motivation with the legal, halakhic, or economic mechanism required to implement it (all legal fictions are examples of this). To sharpen the point, I will bring a few examples.
Discussions of veganism are often based on considerations of animal suffering. But a large majority of animal-rights activists, even if they begin with such considerations, very quickly move as if by magic to considerations of animal rights and to a prohibition on exploiting them even in situations where there is no suffering at all. The arguments they use are almost always arguments about animal suffering, but the motivations are entirely different. Try proposing a solution for consuming animal-based food in a way that causes no suffering to animals, and see what reactions you get there.[8]
Discussions of the status of women and of modes of interaction between the sexes in the community, in the synagogue, and generally, likewise begin with slippery-slope considerations and apocalyptic predictions about the consequences, but the arguments are usually presented as halakhic arguments (which generally do not really hold water). In many cases the slippery-slope arguments are presented without even bothering to offer a halakhic mechanism, as we saw in the discussion of labor prohibitions on the Sabbath in a smart home.
Discussions of socialism and capitalism raise arguments related to economic efficiency—what will lead to a more successful economy,[9] but in fact the discussion rests on a value dispute between those who champion freedom and those who champion equality. Once again there are transitions between the arguments, when for some reason all those who support freedom think that capitalism leads to a more successful economy, and those who support equality think that socialism is the more successful economic system (and not only the more just one).[10]
The Authority of a Halakhic Decisor
In the remarks cited above, Rabbi Ariel proposes prohibiting across the board every action that does not exist today. Above I already touched on not-simple questions about the policy and motivation themselves, and wondered whether the Sabbath really has a defined character or whether this is merely conservatism. Here I would like to address this claim from a different angle, no less important: the question of authority, or more precisely the role and modes of operation of the halakhic decisor.
At least for the sake of discussion, I will now accept the claim regarding the motivation to prohibit all these actions. That is, I will now assume that there is indeed a character to the Sabbath and that it is proper to preserve it, and I will also assume that this is the proper way to do so. Still, the question remains whether this can in fact be done. I hinted above at the mixing of the question of motivation with the question of the mechanism that implements it, and now I am putting that on the table. The question is whether Rabbi Ariel, or any person or other body, can carry out this (worthy) thing. In my view the answer is no. I argue that even if it were proper in Jewish law to prohibit a smart home categorically, there is no halakhic way to do so. In order to create a prohibition, we must find an authorized halakhic source that prohibits it. Thus, for example, if one can show that this action is a form of building, trapping, kneading, sewing, or the like, it can be prohibited. But if there is no primary category of labor or derivative that this action actually instantiates, then no decisor or body has any halakhic way to prohibit it, however worthy such a prohibition may be.
Prohibitions in Jewish law can come from two principal sources: from God (the Torah or a law given to Moses at Sinai) or from enactments and decrees of the Sages. Of course, what is written in the Torah also requires interpretation, and the Sages do that interpretation as well, but here the question of authority enters. The Sages have two kinds of authority: to interpret and to legislate. They interpret what is written in the Torah and the laws given to Moses at Sinai (and the products of interpretation are Torah law), and they also legislate new laws (in which case the products are rabbinic law). I should note that reasoning can also be a source in Jewish law (though in a limited way. See the details in my article on reasoning), but with regard to it as well the question of authority arises. My reasoning binds me, but not anyone else. Reasoning that binds all of us is only the reasoning of an authorized body.
Who are those Sages who constitute an authorized body? Only the Sanhedrin or the Talmud (or a rabbi for his community, if they accepted him as their authority). Therefore, from the time ordination ceased and the Talmud was sealed (its status has already been discussed here more than once), no person or institution has authority to create new laws, whether by way of interpretation or by way of legislation. Note well: this is true of interpretation as well. Although there is no definition of who has authority to interpret the Torah and the Talmudic text, the interpretation of an unauthorized person binds only him and no one else. When I ask a rabbi, he can answer me on the basis of an interpretation he gives to a binding source (Torah-level or rabbinic), but if I disagree with his interpretation he has no binding authority over me.
The conclusion is that from the sealing of the Talmud onward, a decisor, important as he may be, cannot create new laws. He can only interpret existing laws, and even if he does so, his interpretation binds only those who accepted him as their authority or those who asked him. In the third volume of the trilogy I defined this as substantive authority and not formal authority. A decisor has authority to interpret as an expert in Jewish law, but this is a different concept of authority. I accept his words only if I am persuaded that he is indeed interpreting correctly. Admittedly, the persuasion may come either from the interpretation itself or from recognition of the decisor's greatness. Still, there is no authority here that obligates me to accept things with which I do not agree (what I called there 'formal authority').
Returning to Rabbi Ariel, let us assume that it is indeed proper to prohibit all the actions of a smart home. If someone comes to ask the rabbi whether it is permitted or prohibited to keep a smart air conditioner at home, can Rabbi Ariel answer that it is prohibited? Absolutely not. In order to say that it is prohibited, he must anchor himself in an existing source and perhaps also persuade the questioner of his interpretation of that source. He may argue that such activation involves building, kindling, or kneading, but he cannot prohibit it because it empties the Sabbath of content. That is not a valid halakhic argument unless you are the Sanhedrin and are establishing a new rabbinic law here. At most, the rabbi could tell the questioner that this falls into the halakhic category of uvdin de-chol (which is problematic in its own right, as noted above). But, as stated, I understand Rabbi Ariel's remark as a claim that this should be prohibited within the very framework of the labor prohibitions themselves, and that is a problematic thesis on its face.[11]
The Jewish Cabinet of Lies
My friend Nadav Shnerb pointed to this phenomenon and similar ones in the conduct of halakhic decisors and in the public's relation to their words, in his article 'The Jewish Cabinet of Lies'.[12] He brings there several examples of rabbis who present a halakhic position that has no basis in authorized sources, and thereby are essentially lying.[13] The phenomenon is broad and many-sided, and therefore I cannot go into it here in detail, but Rabbi Ariel's remarks above provide a good example of one of these types. To clarify the claim further, I will bring here a few examples (out of very many).
Very often couples come to a rabbi asking him to give them permission to postpone pregnancy. But a rabbi cannot do that.[14] He can show them that there is a halakhic path that permits this under certain circumstances. But people's perception is that the rabbi 'gives them permission,' as if by the very act of ruling the rabbi creates the permission. The question they ask is what permits them to do it. They do not see this as turning to an expert who knows the field and tells them what is to be found in it. The rabbi is a kind of magician who, by his very utterance, brings the permission into being. At most the rabbi can tell the couple that under certain circumstances this is permitted, and the decision should of course be theirs, and theirs alone.[15]
Another example is the accepted policy in Lod to read the Scroll of Esther for two days, both on the 14th and on the 15th. The former city rabbi, Rabbi Natan Ortner, discussed the matter in his responsa, Yad Natan (part II, in a separate pamphlet devoted to this issue). First, he shows that Lod is certainly a city walled since the days of Joshua (surprising, but that apparently is the case). He then explains that nevertheless one should read the Megillah in Lod for two days, as though there were a doubt here. He cites a number of important decisors who supported this position. His main reason was that the public would not understand and would not accept a ruling to read only on the 15th, since they had become accustomed over the years to think that Lod was an unwalled city, or at most doubtfully walled.
One may debate the logic of this ruling. For example, one may wonder why it matters that the public accept it. Whoever does not accept it need not accept it, and good luck to him. But perhaps one could say that this would undermine the standing of the rabbi and the standing of Jewish law in general. Perhaps. But here I want to ask a different question: is the statement that one should read on two days not a lie? After all, there is no genuine halakhic justification for reading on two days. Strictly speaking, one should read the Megillah in Lod only on the 15th. True, someone from a walled city who read on the 14th has fulfilled his obligation, and under Rabbi Ortner's instruction one who read on the 14th does not recite a blessing on the 15th, so there is no halakhic problem with that instruction. But there is still room for the claim that this is a lie, because Rabbi Ortner presents an incorrect halakhic position. He could have said that strictly speaking one should read only on the 15th, but anyone who cannot hold out and wants to preserve his (mistaken) custom may read on two days (and not recite a blessing on the second day). That is the correct law for this case. But when he says that one should read on two days, he is saying something incorrect. That is not the law. The problem with such an instruction is not that he causes people to violate a prohibition, but that he presents his position as though this were the law itself: Lod is doubtfully walled, and therefore one should read on two days. In this example too, the motivation—which in this case is also possible on the practical plane—is presented as a halakhic statement. But motivation is not a halakhic mechanism. Not everything that is desirable is correct. It is not within the authority of a decisor or rabbi to determine that one should read on two days. As we have seen, he can at most say what the law says, but not innovate law, for he is not the Sanhedrin. I do not see why a resident of the city who wants to read only on the 15th should obey this instruction (I even know personally someone who does this, heaven forfend).
Similar to this example, Rabbi Ariel's instruction too does not cause people to violate a prohibition. At most we will act stringently and refrain from operating electrical appliances in a smart home even though strictly speaking this is permitted. But there is still interpretation or legislation (an enactment or a decree) that was done without authority. Unlike Rabbi Ortner, who ruled only for the city of which he was the rabbi, Rabbi Ariel presents this as law for the public at large, and that is a blunt overstepping of a decisor's authority. I should again note that it is not clear to me what exactly the meaning is of the rabbi's statement that 'this must be prohibited': does he himself rule it prohibited? Or is he calling on rabbis to prohibit it? Or perhaps he is calling for a gathering of all the decisors of the generation to agree to innovate an enactment or to reinterpret the primary categories of labor? Or perhaps he means to change the list of primary categories of labor? (That seems unlikely to me.) I do not know, but since the phenomenon is common and widespread (see examples in Nadav's article), I assume that it can also be interpreted in the sense that there is a mixing of motivation with mechanism, and a turning of what is desirable into what is taken to exist.
The Novel Suggestion of the Hazon Ish
It is very common in the books of halakhic decisors that they are asked about some act and answer that there is no way to prohibit it by Torah law, but since there is also no way to permit it, it is rabbinically prohibited. But a rabbinic prohibition too requires an authorized source. If an authorized court (the Sanhedrin or the Talmud) did not sit and prohibit it, then it is not prohibited, even if it would be very proper to prohibit it. This is again the difference between the motivation and the existence of a mechanism that implements it. The motivation to prohibit is clear, but it is not enough to generate a prohibition. In order to prohibit something in practice, a Torah-level or rabbinic-level source is required. A decisor who has no authority and on his own innovates a rabbinic prohibition simply because it is proper to prohibit, presents a false appearance (a holy lie). The statement that this is rabbinically prohibited is a halakhic falsehood. So how do the greatest decisors do this at every turn?
In the third volume of my trilogy (chapter thirteen, p. 203, note 49), I cited the words of the Hazon Ish who sensed this problematic point and proposed a very major innovation here, even if a characteristic one (Yoreh De'ah, sec. 150, subsec. 11):
Now, we find in the Talmud many deliberations regarding rabbinic decrees. At first glance this is difficult: legally, it is certainly permitted to plant another vegetable beside them (editor's note: see Jerusalem Talmud, Kilayim 3:6), and the matter is not fit to be forbidden unless a court sat and prohibited it. So if no court convened to issue a decree, why should it be forbidden? Rather, what the early Sages of blessed memory decreed, they decreed upon the root of the matter that leads to the expansion of the commandment and its safeguarding, and they entrusted the later Sages to judge the further details according to the guidance of analysis and the give-and-take of Torah law. And whatever appears to the Sage as properly understood within their decree is in truth what the original decreers sought and what their decree intended, for the decree of the Sages enters into the body of Torah law to instruct its extensions in accordance with the Torah's principles and understanding.
In simple words, he writes that a sage or decisor has the ability to innovate rabbinic law even without a session of an authorized institution that formally enacts or decrees it. It appears that he argues that the authorized courts in the past implicitly determined that any sage who sees a need to interpret or insert something further into their enactment may do so, and that the force of that will then apply retroactively by virtue of their own authority. This is how he explains the words of many decisors who write, without qualification, that some matter is rabbinically prohibited simply because it seems to them that it ought not to be permitted (and we have no source to prohibit it by Torah law), and this without citing any source whatsoever for an authorized court that enacted it.
His student, Rabbi Gedaliah Nadel (whose words I cited in the note there), writes similarly:
Rabbinic prohibitions include not only what was formally decreed and voted upon, but also matters that reason dictates are intended by the Torah in the commandment "you shall keep My charge"; these are forbidden of themselves even without the court having issued a decree about them…
It is important to understand the significance of this. If the new prohibition really fits smoothly as an interpretation of that earlier source (Torah-level or rabbinic-level), then there is no problem. This is ordinary interpretation, which is always done. But the Hazon Ish and his student here argue that even what does not enter the source (the enactment or decree) by ordinary interpretive means, if it is proper to include it because of considerations produced by the times, is as though it had been written there. What ought to be becomes, of itself, what is. This is a major innovation, because according to this there is in fact no problem of authority at all and no need for sessions of authorized courts. Whatever is proper to prohibit is already prohibited, and there is no need to enact or decree anything.[16] Almost anything can be brought in this way under an earlier source.
It should be noted that in the case of the smart home we are dealing with an even greater innovation. From Rabbi Ariel's words (if I understood his intention) it emerges that even the Torah itself left it to the sages of every generation to prohibit by Torah law whatever seems right to them. If so, one can indeed erase from Jewish law all the questions of authority, the difference between the Sanhedrin and another court, the cessation of ordination, the need for decisions by an authorized court (legislation or interpretation), and the like. These are innovations that even for me, a consummate innovator, are hard to accept. And when one hears them from the mouths of conservatives who criticize people like me for our innovativeness, it is all the more astonishing.
[1] And indeed there was a minority of decisors who permitted this in various ways (at least on a Jewish holiday), such as Rabbi Toledano and others. See also Wikipedia there.
[2] Specifically regarding the category of building, contrary to what many decisors think, I think (see, for example, here and here) that this is not a strained and agenda-driven ad hoc solution. There really is an element of building in the use of electricity (closing an electric circuit), and that belongs to the very essence of the category of building.
[3] Regarding the question of what counts as a significant labor, and what the criterion of significance is, see the introduction of the author of Tiferet Yisrael to his commentary on tractate Shabbat (Kalkhelet HaShabbat). There he offers two criteria: significant creation and distinctiveness (that the labor be distinguished from other labors).
[4] This is reminiscent of common criticisms of the principle of Ockham's Razor, which some view as nothing more than a conservative mechanism. We are called upon to adopt only theses that seem simple to us, that is, ones that fit what we currently think. There too the claim is that the criterion of simplicity begs the question. The argument is that 'simple' is nothing but what fits my current way of thinking. I do not agree there, since there are criteria for simplicity (the number of entities, the number of parameters, and the like. For example: a first-degree expression is simpler than a second-degree expression, because the latter has more parameters). But in the matter at hand the situation is far more ambiguous.
[5] Of course, such an argument cannot be raised against actions that are prohibited as a matter of law. Sabbath delight obviously does not override prohibitions of labor. But here, when the entire discussion concerns the character of the Sabbath, these are legitimate considerations and almost self-evident.
[6] I will only mention that the Talmud itself says that the distinction between winnowing, sorting, and sifting was made only in order to arrive at the thirty-nine primary categories that existed in the Tabernacle. Were it not for that consideration, all these should have been one primary category of sorting (see Shabbat 73b).
[7] This point came up in a discussion with my daughter Rivka.
[8] Incidentally, this lack of distinction causes damage in the struggle, because rejecting options to create food without causing suffering to animals causes the industry to continue using the accepted problematic methods. If people were promoting directions that involve no animal suffering and granting them legitimacy, more and more possibilities would be created for consuming food in such a way, which would greatly improve the situation of animals. The same is true regarding attitudes toward prostitution. There too, an absolute rejection of the phenomenon and an unwillingness to recognize a woman's right to decide to sell her body (although there too people use arguments about the suffering of women while being driven by entirely different motivations) leads to additional suffering for women. Instead of regulating the phenomenon, people reject it and prohibit it by law, and then it is done secretly and underground without any supervision or oversight and in more problematic forms (in terms of trafficking and abuse of women). As is known, the question of institutionalizing prostitution arises in the halakhic context as well, but this is not the place. The discussion here is intended only to illustrate the problematic results created by mixing different types of arguments.
[9] The criteria for that success are not always clear. In many cases they themselves are, of course, a function of one's value-based worldview.
[10] Here the connection to the topic of spurious correlations rises to the surface, a topic already discussed here more than once in the past (see, for example, in columns 1, 41, 92, 146, 151, 164, 256 and others). Spurious correlations stand in the background of most of what I write in this column.
[11] It can be justified specifically with respect to Sabbath labors as I suggested above (to define a new primary category), but as I explained there, I assume that Rabbi Ariel himself would not agree to change the list of labors and their derivatives in every generation.
[12] A file can be downloaded from his website. It is highly recommended (like all the other articles there). On this whole topic, see also chapter thirty-two in the third volume of the trilogy.
[13] On 'holy lies', see column 21.
[14] See on this in my article on birth control in Jewish law.
[15] In that article I also showed the implications of this matter for the proper mode of decision-making by halakhic decisors. See also chapter thirty-two in the third volume of the trilogy.
[16] For those with sensitive ears, there is here an echo of the debate between proponents of natural law and the approach known as positivism. See, for example, here.
Discussion
Hello Rabbi,
We happened to discuss the fact that, even more than the statements of Rabbi Ariel that you cited, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Shafran wrote similar things far more explicitly, and far more radically, regarding the issue of renewing tekhelet.
It was astonishing to see how he writes that since the threat from the Reform movement began, the great Torah authorities are permitted to uproot a matter from the Torah through passive nonperformance, provided only that nothing new be introduced—even a mitzvah that had been forgotten, and whose conditions for renewal had in fact been met.
This kind of ability to uproot a matter from the Torah through passive nonperformance is, it seems to me, a prerogative of the Sanhedrin, and yet Rabbi Shafran wrote that even the leading rabbis of our generation have that authority.
Simply astonishing.
A few years ago I heard a lecture by Rabbi Ariel on this subject. He cited the Iggerot Moshe that you brought at the beginning of the article and added: we (the halakhic decisors of the generation) need to be like the Rishonim and establish new prohibitions.
That is exactly his claim: that he is inventing a new prohibition in order to preserve Shabbat.
Throughout the article you tend to argue that there are no criteria for the claim of preserving the character of Shabbat, and therefore it can no longer be applied. In other words, your position is that since you do not understand to what the prohibition [which formally exists] should be applied, you cancel the application of the prohibition even when the case seems very similar to things we know were forbidden for this reason in the Gemara and in the poskim. A very strange argument.
As to the substance: Ramban already wrote that the Torah set aside an explicit positive commandment to warn us not to turn Shabbat into a weekday [so that a person might carry loads all Shabbat from house to house and say, “I did no labor”], and the basic idea of Shabbat is refraining from labor and creation in the world, and complete cessation and rest. So whenever by this act you are doing the opposite, you have nullified the idea of Shabbat, and the thing is forbidden under the law of “weekday-type activity.” I do not understand what is so difficult to understand about this.
The difficulty with this rule exists only in laws where there is no rationale of “work” any more than in other things, and they were prohibited by poskim over the generations משום weekday-type activity [bicycles can be discussed, since after all it is a tool intended to carry a person from place to place, and perhaps that gives it the significance of weekday occupation; but an umbrella, for example, which the poskim forbade on this basis, is puzzling]. But the basic idea that Shabbat is supposed to be a time of cessation and rest from all creation whatsoever is something obvious to every person, and there is no doubt that this is included in the prohibition of weekday-type activity, if not more than that [- “a day of solemn rest” according to Ramban].
I would also be glad to understand why in the article you present the prohibitions of the poskim regarding electricity as though they were an invention of policy, whereas from their words it really does not appear so; and you yourself [in a note] refer to places where you explain that you too agree with them on the issue of building [- the strangest of the rationales among them; the other rationales are much more plausible].
In general, there is a very unpleasant feeling when reading your words in the article, as though the poskim are a sect of liars hiding their intentions under different labels. I do not deny that there can be a prohibition due to policy, but many times they truly think the matter is forbidden, and your analysis of their words in the article is very lacking.
[For example, if you ask their opinion about holding a smartphone, they will sincerely think it is forbidden, and not only because of consequential concerns. And even if you think otherwise, you cannot malign them without clarifying what is going on in the depths of their hearts. The fact that you do not accept the rationale for the prohibition is not the last word, and people’s views are varied.]
Regarding Purim in Lod and Rabbi Ortner’s opinion:
Rabbi Ortner very much wanted Purim in Lod to be observed only on the 15th, but he wanted agreement and a “seal of approval” from the leading halakhic authorities (he approached Rabbi Elyashiv, Minchat Yitzchak, and Rabbi Ovadia), and they did not agree, although at least one of them (Rabbi Elyashiv) held that fundamentally Purim in Lod really ought to be celebrated only on the 15th.
The definition of Lod as a city walled from the days of Joshua son of Nun is based on the fact that Hazal already defined the Lod of their time as such, and if one starts from the assumption that present-day Lod is the direct continuation of the Lod of Hazal, then it is considered definitely walled.
In Rabbi Yehuda Zoldan’s book on the subject, Walled Cities, there is a broad discussion of the matter.
It also seemed so to me—that this was not a ruling for policy reasons, as the rabbi conjectured, but for the reason you mentioned; and likewise regarding the other examples he brought.
Just a note regarding the spelling of the Yiddish expression:
Not “pas nisht,” but “past nisht.”
Past – fitting/suitable, nisht – not, that is, “not suitable.”
The full expression is “es past nisht,” meaning “it’s not suitable,” and when people say the words together some of the syllables disappear, and it sounds like: s’past nisht.
He did not say that the poskim’s discussions of electricity are an invention for policy purposes. He said that it was clear to them that it was forbidden (halakhically, under the laws of the labors of Shabbat—the more problematic business is in the laws of ziluta deShabbata, weekday-type activity), but they did not know why and looked for an explanation. He also thinks it is forbidden. And in truth there is a difference between operating electrical devices and many other issues. And I cannot speak for the rabbi, but I too have this feeling that there is a lack of honesty among some of the poskim, and that they force their (conservative) worldview onto the (pure) halakha. There is a famous example about the Iggerot Moshe: he was asked about using an electric shaver, and at first did not want to answer at all because he thought that “a beard is the facial form a Jew ought to have,” and I’m surprised the rabbi did not discuss that famous example. Or with the prohibition on military service for girls, where a famous rabbi refused to give a reason for the prohibition because he claimed that the very raising of the subject for discussion was improper. I understand that a person may have an intuition that something is forbidden even if he has not yet found a reason, and that’s fine. That was the discussion about electricity on Shabbat (and perhaps even in this new discussion). It is part of an expert’s expertise. But to run away from trying to justify it already borders on dishonesty. And all the talk about this “new authority” of the poskim to include new decrees within Hazal’s decrees. By the way, this is a kind of dishonesty that in my opinion is part of the Haredi character (the non-productive one, and it was inherited from there by the religious world as well). Or perhaps one should say disconnection from reality more than dishonesty. There is a problem here of lack of judgment (as it were, a certain aspect of “a Torah scholar without judgment”). Maybe there is also an issue of self-righteousness. I don’t know. Maybe I am imagining it, but one can really smell a kind of panic or hysteria toward technological reality (and perhaps social reality as well), which is constantly being renewed. People of truth should not have such fear, even if they do not have an answer to every question, a solution to every problem, and an explanation for every intuition. If he had said that his intuition tells him there is a prohibition here, but he still does not know why, that would have been fine. I believe that good, true, and accurate explanations exist for every intuition that is genuinely true, even if we have not yet found them.
By the way, with Shabbat there is a very good chance that this is even biblically forbidden (every electrical device under the law of kindling, as Rabbi Kook said. Once one understands what biblical fire is, it may very well be that electricity itself—the electric current—is fire).
It seems to me there is another source for the halakha: “Go out and see what the people do” (when the people care about Shabbat).
Electricity includes many things, among them a large group of actions that harm the character of Shabbat. The right way is to forbid the list of damaging actions, not the meaningless umbrella term “electricity.” In that way one could also forbid every action that requires two hands; presumably that too would greatly thin out the actions that harm the character of Shabbat. An umbrella category with such a large number of false positives (legitimate actions that get forbidden under the principle “woe to the wicked and woe to his neighbor”) is, to a good approximation, valueless and arbitrary. This, in my opinion, is a central reason why people do not suffice with the general consideration of character but look for a mechanism of prohibited labors.
With God’s help, 18 Shevat 5780
The subject was discussed in its time in Techumin regarding use of a “smart card.” See Yehuda Yifrah’s article, “Electric Shabbat,” on the Shabbat Supplement – Makor Rishon site.
In one of my comments there I noted that according to Rambam, even after the sealing of the Talmud there is still room for local enactments, and accordingly, for example, the sages of the Land of Israel or the USA can enact regulations for their own land. According to the Maggid Mishneh (who disagrees with Rambam on this point), the Geonim had authority to enact regulations for all Israel, and on his approach there is ostensibly room to say that Torah giants whose opinion is accepted today by all the members of their generation can even today enact regulations that would bind everyone.
Ostensibly one might also think in the direction of “we act as their agents,” mentioned in the Gemara at the beginning of Sanhedrin, for which reason batei din today can adjudicate monetary law and accept converts and the like, even though they do not have semikhah, because they operate as agents of the ordained courts that existed in the time of the Talmud—and this requires clarification.
Regards, S"Tz
In the comments there, “Ariel” brought a large booklet explaining all the positions of the poskim on the issue of “electricity on Shabbat.”
It seems to me I explained why. If he examined each one individually, then there is no great novelty in his position. Clearly he wanted to say something new and different there. His claim is for a sweeping prohibition of everything that does not exist today, even before we have examined what is going to be (who knows what will be in the future).
Beyond that, he also does not seem to me to be relying on ziluta deShabbata. I tend more to think that he means to establish this as a prohibited labor. But I addressed both possibilities.
Beyond that, even if there are existing halakhot, which as you say are not always well-founded, there is no reason not to dispute them for those same reasons. I dealt briefly with the older electricity issue and commented on it as well.
This has no connection to the secular argument about flint stones. The issue is not effort but creation.
Indeed, as I wrote, this is a common approach among the poskim, and my remarks here were written against it.
But the ability to uproot a matter from the Torah is not entrusted only to the Sanhedrin. It depends on how one does it (suspension or uprooting). In the third book of the trilogy I proved this from Rambam at the beginning of the laws of Rebels.
If so, then I understood his brief words here correctly.
Not נכון. There is a difference between an argument for a new conception of Shabbat’s character and an argument that expands a given existing conception. Interpreting existing halakhot is legitimate, even if in my view it is based on begging the question. My claim here was mainly against those who create new halakhot and do not merely interpret existing ones. True, regarding the Gemara too I raised a weaker claim—that I do not understand the criterion. But that is a question, not a refutation. And indeed in certain cases it may perhaps be easier to understand this. And as I focused carefully, the main difficulty is with prohibitions that are not an expansion of labors but only of “character.” By the way, Ramban on constant carrying also is not dealing with creation.
And after all, the claim that Shabbat should be a time of rest regardless of creation is a claim that contradicts Rabbi Ariel’s words. He came to make things harder for us, not easier. Automatic operation of an air conditioner does not harm my Shabbat rest; on the contrary, it improves it.
Eliezer,
I am not responsible for your feelings. I am responsible for what I wrote, not for what you feel, and I did not write that. Moreover, even if you rightly feel that my words imply they are liars, if someone is a liar the fact that you feel bad reading it does not mean he is not such, or that one should not write it (see the previous column).
First, I did not write anything of my own about inventions; I described a common feeling. Moreover, regarding some of the poskim I am certain that this is correct. But even they are not a “sect of liars”; rather, they err and think that halakha requires them to present things in a way that is not faithful to reality. This happens every day on many issues (for example, ascent to the Temple Mount, where Haredi poskim present the matter as a prohibition, when it is clear that for many of them this was not examined at all, but stems from concern about ascending without immersion and other concerns. And so too in many other cases). The same applies to smartphones. There it is blatantly clear that this is so (otherwise you present them as fools in order not to present them as liars).
Bottom line: you cannot be impressed by their stated reasons, because if this interpretation is correct then the halakhic arguments they present are a façade. Therefore the fact that there are reasons does not mean anything. The question is whether the reasons really hold water. If not, it is likely they are a façade for motivation-based reasons.
And of course one more necessary comment regarding what you said about the labor of building.
I can only refer you to the linked lecture and then suggest you form an opinion. What you write here about electricity as building is indeed the common impression (there you have it—you yourself assume that the Hazon Ish did what I described: he presented a dubious rationale in order to ground a prohibition). But in the lecture I explained why that is not correct.
Eliezer, are you sure you are responding to Amir? (You did not write this as a continuation of his thread.) If so, why do you write “I too,” when your words are the opposite of his? He explained at length why this is indeed a ruling for policy reasons, both for Rabbi Ortner and for Rabbi Elyashiv.
Many thanks. A moment of Hungarian (as HaGashash said) 🙂
What did you want to learn from that source? הרי this is not an independent source that can create prohibitions, but a source that can clarify a halakha that had been forgotten by us.
But it works exactly the other way around. If there were a source from the prohibited labors, they would forbid it regardless of character. Considerations of character are stated only where there is no source from the prohibited labors (and when people present labor-prohibitions in such cases, that is only a façade, which is what I objected to). Your claim here about arbitrariness is exactly my claim.
It seems to me that I noted in my remarks that if there were a consensus among all the sages of some particular place, there might perhaps be room to create a prohibition (rabbinically). But it does not seem that this is what Rabbi Ariel is doing here.
No one can claim that “common practice” creates halakhot. That is nonsense. Even the wisdom of the masses means hitting on the correct answer, not creating an answer (that is, that the public’s thinking something itself generates a new prohibition). There is no prohibition without a source.
But this discussion is not relevant to the column, since as I wrote, even if reason creates a prohibition, it has force only for the person who formulated that reasoning.
At the end of the article you brought the Hazon Ish as trying to bypass the authority problem, by saying that anything it stands to reason Hazal would have forbidden is prohibited rabbinically.
It should be noted that although from the standpoint of legislative authority the problem is solved, as long as I do not accept his reasoning and disagree with it, the opinion of Rabbi Karelitz or Ariel still does not bind me in their interpretation of Hazal’s reasons in their enactments.
I want to comment on the distinction between role and authority.
You distinguish between the Talmud and the Sanhedrin, who have authority (of first-order ruling), and therefore their declarations about the character of Shabbat have binding authority.
But when the sages of the Talmud made their determinations, they did not have first-order authority! That authority was given to them after the ruling (and sometimes long after they had died). So why do you require them to rule only by interpretive rulings? True, that would not bind you, but if it were accepted widely perhaps it would indeed have first-order force…
I would only add that in the whole issue I think one can discuss the significance of intention.
We see that Hazal distinguished between a utensil, an animal, and a gentile in the context of Shabbat.
The question today is how to understand a computerized algorithm. And here I think it is possible to set criteria and issue a ruling on the matter that would also fit your interpretive requirements (although from the comments it appears this was not Rabbi Ariel’s intention).
I had thoughts that a smart home is more similar to an animal than to a utensil, and therefore it is fitting to forbid it on Shabbat.
Correct.
I already wrote that if a consensus is formed, it may bind the members of the place where it is formed. That was probably also the situation in the Talmudic period itself.
But you also wrote, “But when a posek who does not sit on the Sanhedrin comes and says, he cannot determine what the character of Shabbat is unless he presents criteria.”
That is, you are not willing for someone to rule that way even as a ruling that does not have supreme authority. That is what I asked about.
Why can a posek not try to determine the character of Shabbat even without an interpretive criterion, as the sages of the Gemara did? Why is it not part of the posek’s role also to rule in a non-interpretive way, on the understanding that the authority of such a ruling is less than the authority of an interpretive ruling (at least until it receives backing)?
In the Talmud there were innovations of halakhot, which cannot be done in our time. In the Talmud they also made derashot, which does not happen in our time. As for your question itself, it is not clear to me what happened in the Talmudic period itself, and what force the rulings that appear there had for the people of their own time and place.
It may be that then the sages of Babylonia had authorization from the Sanhedrin in the Land of Israel to act on their behalf (like “we act as their agents”). Or that they only expressed opinions, but the ruling had authority only for the people of their place (and received force with recognition of the Talmud’s authority in general). And finally, it may be that things were then done without authority, because this systematic way of thinking developed over the generations (as scholars wrote about the distinction between biblical and rabbinic law, which developed over the generations and once did not really exist).
A. An interesting and important article (and beautifully written)!
B. It reminded me that once a certain Jew asked me about the parameters of the prohibition on riding a bicycle on Shabbat. I searched many books but did not find an explanation that holds water. My impression was that first they decided it was forbidden, and only afterwards looked for why…
Regarding socialism, I have not seen anyone today claiming that socialism is a more successful system, that is, one that brings greater prosperity and wealth. They only claim that it is more just.
Well, I have indeed seen such people. They always bring examples from Scandinavia.
To add to what has been said—things written to Rabbi Ariel precisely on the topic under discussion by the rabbi and mysterious respondent who authored the responsa Orchotekha Lamdeini (who answers thousands of questioners by email on halakhic issues and refuses to identify himself):
I did not identify in the article the claim about the arbitrariness of the categorization. If there were many problematic new actions that one could group under “begin with the letter H” (at the cost of also forbidding masses of other actions that have no problem at all), would they do that too? That is a claim even if there were no issue of authority, or difficulty in creating new primary categories of labor.
If this is written explicitly in your words and I missed it—alas for me. If it is implied and I missed it—the blame is mine for my error. In any case, it seems to me that the formulation I proposed sharpens the problematic nature more.
I did not understand the argument. His categorization is not arbitrary. Every automatic action that bypasses a forbidden manual operation should be forbidden. As I wrote, in my opinion it begs the question, but I do not see arbitrariness here.
Great content! Super high-quality! Keep it up! 🙂
As a continuation of the commenter above me, attached are several sources (found via Google search) in which Rabbi Ariel’s position was written somewhat more expansively than in a sentence, an interview, a Shabbat pamphlet… (It is certainly possible that I missed more detailed sources, and if so, Google is of course to blame…).
Here (the article to which the author of Orchotekha Lamdeini refers) –
https://www.machonso.org/hamaayan/?gilayon=34&id=1094
And Rabbi Ariel’s response to “Orchotekha Lamdeini” –
http://shaalvim.co.il/torah/maayan-article.asp?backto=&ed=%E2%EC%E9%E5%EF%20%20%FA%F9%F8%E9%20%FA%F9%F2%E4&id=903
And also the article here –
https://www.machonso.org/uploads/images/%D7%94%D7%A8%D7%91-%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%A7%D7%91-%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%90%D7%9C.pdf
Bless you, “Schnitzel”! The truth is that it was my mistake not to bring Rabbi Ariel’s response article (I had not read his original article, to which Orchotekha Lamdeini initially responded, until now).
Rabbi Ariel explains both in his first article and in his response to Orchotekha Lamdeini exactly what Rabbi Michael understood from him—that he openly says one must forbid the use of electricity sweepingly as a new decree, and not by fitting it into one of the existing labors.
“Schnitzel,” from the post it seems that Rabbi Michael agrees more with a position similar to that of Orchotekha Lamdeini in his dispute with Rabbi Ariel.
Rabbi Michael—am I right?
I understood that in his view one must forbid it the way R. Moshe Feinstein argued regarding the use of a Shabbat timer. That is not a new decree, but in his view a Torah prohibition, even though it does not fall under one of the existing labors.
Does the rabbi mean the words of Orchotekha Lamdeini? I understood from him that there is no prohibition at all intrinsically, neither biblical nor rabbinic (see what he writes about a telephone on Shabbat), but at most he wonders whether perhaps it should be forbidden משום “lo plug,” lest the general public not distinguish between permitted and forbidden electrical devices.
At least that is how I understood it.
I didn’t read it. I explained how I understood Rabbi Ariel’s words.
Then in my opinion it would be worthwhile for you to read it…… I think you would identify with the words of Orchotekha Lamdeini in his dispute with Rabbi Ariel—as you surely saw, the link to the words of Orchotekha Lamdeini is in my comment, and Rabbi Ariel’s letters are in “Schnitzel’s” comment.
A small note –
You wrote:
..“Strictly speaking, one should read the Megillah in Lod only on the 15th. True, a walled city that read **on the 15th** has fulfilled its obligation”
But it seems to me you meant to write that true, a walled city that read **on the 14th** has fulfilled its obligation.
Correct. I corrected it. Thanks.
With God’s help, 24 Shevat 5780
According to Rabbi Yaakov Ariel (following Ramban), there is a positive-commandment prohibition, derived from the verse, “It shall be for you a solemn rest” (Leviticus 23:24), which Ramban explained: “We were commanded by the Torah to have rest on it even from things that are not labor, so that one should not toil all day… therefore the Torah said ‘Shabbaton,’ that it should be a day of Shabbat and rest, not a day of toil” (link to his words in HaMaayan in Schnitzel’s comment below), and it is obvious that if the use of electrical devices were permitted, even in a way that involves no labor, Shabbat would become an ordinary weekday.
Regards, S"Tz
That is not Rabbi Ariel’s view. It is Ramban himself, and it seems to me I mentioned him.
Wise.
As I understand it, Rabbi Feinstein’s motivation is not preventing the blurring of the difference between Shabbat and weekday, about which one could argue that it begs the question. He speaks there about the fact that by means of the Shabbat timer it would be possible to perform all the prohibited labors. In other words, he has a definition of the character of Shabbat—to prevent carrying out the prohibited labors by means of a halakhic trick. All this is similar to the arguments against regular use of the halakhic solutions of the Tzomet Institute, for example, even though they make use of permissions based on indirect causation and the like. So it is not correct to connect these statements of Rabbi Feinstein to the creation of a new primary category of labor.
I did not find the Ramban quotation in Ritva Rosh Hashanah 34.
It should read 32b:
“But you need to know that whenever we say in every place that a shevut is rabbinic, this is not to say that we have no shevut from the Torah at all. For if so, Shabbat would be like a weekday by Torah law, with shops open and storehouses of grain and wine, and people carrying objects from house to house through a karmelit, and measuring and weighing and counting. It is not reasonable that the Torah forbade carrying out the volume of a dried fig and permitted this great exertion, for if so this is not a day of rest. Rather, the essence of the matter is that within the general positive commandment of shevut in the Torah—to cease from labors—there is included ceasing from all weekday-type activity in general, so as not to make Shabbat like a weekday. But in each specific case, when one does it while being careful in the other matters so that Shabbat does not become like a weekday, it is a rabbinic shevut. Thus there is an essential cessation from the Torah, and therefore the Sages upheld their words in many places even to override a Torah commandment. And this is a pearl in our hands from our teacher Ramban, from the mouth of our master of blessed memory.”
Indeed, sharp and forceful words. But seemingly one could interpret Rabbi Ariel’s words in a more specific way, and not only as meta-halakhic principles. That is, after all, the “smart home” is made up of all sorts of different devices, some operating one way and others another way (say, a microphone, thermostat, light sensor, and so on), and these matters have already been addressed in the various halakhic works according to their respective lines of reasoning (even if at root they stem from the paralyzing fear of “weekday-type activity,” in the end they really did build mountains of halakhot on them, more or less well-founded). So why say that Rabbi Ariel’s sweeping prohibition is only because of the amorphous rationale of degrading Shabbat and the like? Perhaps he did go into the details (or at least he portrays the details as things that already received more specific treatment in the poskim) – and when the details are combined, it turns out that these things are forbidden for a variety of reasons.
For really, who can distinguish (in order to be lenient) between flipping a switch on Shabbat, which is already a consensus prohibition, and speaking into a speaker so that it will turn on the light on Shabbat? This is like what they tried to do in the very question you quoted at the beginning of the article: “the labors are becoming less and less ‘human,’” as though even the religious are reaching the stage where they adopt the secular argument: “Once they used to light fire with two flint stones; today it’s just a switch, so I don’t understand why it’s forbidden,” etc.