Torah Study, Lesson 1
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[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Today we’ll deal with the concept of Torah study. And there are all kinds of aspects here, some of them halakhic, meta-halakhic, and even ultimately contemporary. We’ll have to sink into current events too. I’ll start perhaps with the question of why study Torah at all? What for? What’s the reason? There are a few directions one can suggest as answers to that question. The first direction that naturally comes to mind is: to study in order to do, meaning to study in order to know how to act. Right? An ignorant person can’t be pious; someone who doesn’t study won’t know how to act. That’s a very common view, and maybe a very intuitive one for people, but it can’t be correct. It can’t be correct because study in that sense is really a kind of preparation for a commandment. Right? Because if we study in order to know what to do, that means the study is a means, not an end. The goal is to know what to do, and the study is the means. So it comes out that study is really preparation for a commandment, not a commandment. But for that there would have been no need to give a commandment of Torah study at all. After all, it’s obvious that if we’re commanded to do what Jewish law says, then we also need to know what it says. And therefore we could have reached the conclusion that one has to study even without there being a commandment of Torah study. So it’s very unlikely that the commandment of Torah study is exhausted by studying in order to know what to do. Maybe there’s also such an aspect, and we’ll talk about that more, but it’s unlikely that that captures the whole issue.
[Speaker B] Where is the commandment of Torah study written? “And you shall teach them diligently to your children”?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Maimonides counts it in the enumeration of the commandments as positive commandment number 11. Well, usually people learn it, I think, from “And you shall teach them diligently to your children,” or “And these words shall be upon…” all kinds of things, you can derive it from various directions. “And you shall teach them to your children,” right. About “And you shall teach them diligently,” the Ran in Nedarim says that that’s only a homiletic derivation, that it’s not the source of the commandment itself, and therefore he says that an oath can take effect on it. Ran in Nedarim 8a. Anyway, it has sources, this is agreed upon. It has sources; all the enumerators of the commandments count it as a positive commandment, Maimonides as positive commandment 11, so there is such a commandment. So the first direction, which sees study as a means to know what to do, has something to it, but apparently it can’t be the whole thing. It can’t exhaust the whole matter. There’s another direction, and I don’t know what to call it—cleaving to the Holy One, blessed be He. Meaning the formulations of Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin in Nefesh HaChaim, Gate 4. He expands on this there. He has a kind of polemic there against Hasidism—the book was written against Hasidism—and it’s rather surprising to discover how similar it is to what happens in Hasidism. Maybe I’ll comment on that more. But he writes there that contrary to what the Hasidim think—he doesn’t say “Hasidim,” he doesn’t mention them by name there—but he says that contrary to views which say that Torah study is intended to create a religious experience, let’s call it that in my language, or a religious emotion, to develop a religious feeling, that’s not true. Torah study is cleaving to the Holy One Himself; it doesn’t create cleaving. Meaning, the Hasidim understand Torah study—Hasidim as he presents them—as basically having the role of producing an experience of cleaving or a religious experience, what you might call it. And Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin says, what are you talking about? Torah study is itself the cleaving; it doesn’t produce cleaving. When you engage in Torah study, in that very act you cleave to the Holy One, blessed be He. Meaning, it’s not that it creates something; it itself is the cleaving. Therefore all the emotional, experiential dimensions are unnecessary; they are not part of the issue.
[Speaker B] You don’t need to feel it?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No. That’s what he wants to argue. You’re allowed to feel it; I assume that’s not invalid. But he says that’s not the point, that’s not the issue.
[Speaker C] So you can cleave to God without feeling it?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Yes. You cleave to God, cleave in an almost physical sense. Simply, when you engage in Torah, “the Holy One, blessed be He, and the Torah are one,” so if you engage in Torah, then you and He are one. That’s it. So you’re cleaving regardless of what you feel and what experiences you’re going through, right? Litvak. Meaning, where did the Litvaks come from? They didn’t appear out of nowhere. So that’s really the claim. Now, the disagreement between him and the Hasidim is really, for our purposes, a secondary disagreement. Because in principle, both understand the meaning of Torah study in the same way. Both understand that Torah study is, as opposed to what I said earlier, a means to know what to do—its point is cleaving to the Holy One, blessed be He. Now what is this cleaving? That depends whether you’re a Hasid or a Litvak. Is cleaving the experiential, emotional dimension, or is cleaving the very fact of being in a state in which you engage in God’s will? All right? That’s already the dispute between the Lithuanian and Hasidic approaches, but in the fundamental, philosophical conception of what Torah study means, it’s a similar conception. Since both see study as something that either serves as a means to cleaving or is itself the cleaving. Okay? But it is not a means in order to know what to do. On that they both agree. Okay? There’s another answer—I don’t know whether it’s an additional one or the same thing—but still it’s phrased a bit differently, so I’ll present that too. This first occurred to me when I was teaching in Yerucham. We spoke there one evening, the whole yeshiva gathered in the dining room, and we talked a bit about Torah study. And the guys there asked, basically, why? Why is it important? Why do we need to do it? What does it give? What’s the meaning of it? Not what it gives in the self-interested sense, but what it gives in the value-based, religious, spiritual sense. So various answers came up there and were rejected, and various proposals of one kind or another. And at some point I thought that none of these proposals, beyond the difficulties with each one, really describes the matter. Meaning, forget the objections—it’s just not that. There’s something about Torah study that, at least I don’t know, the common conception in the world—one can discuss what its source is and why—but it seems to me that it more or less correctly describes the yeshiva-world conception at least, okay? That there’s something about Torah study that doesn’t need any explanation at all. Meaning, if I give an explanation for Torah study, then I’m giving it in terms of some principle that is more understandable, right? If I want to explain— we’ve already talked more than once about an English-English dictionary, right?—which explains one unclear word by means of ten less clear words. So if we really want to explain something, we have to ground it in what is familiar. Explanation means grounding in the familiar. I take something I don’t understand and explain it by means of a principle that I do understand, and then I also understand the thing I wanted to understand. Okay? Now when I want to explain the commandment of Torah study, the meaning of Torah study, then I need to take some principles that themselves do not need explanation. Or never mind—if they have an explanation then we go one more step back—but somewhere I have to begin from a system, or not even a system, even one principle that is self-evident, that doesn’t need explanation. Now the question is whether there is such a thing. Or alternatively, I’ll ask it in reverse: suppose there are other things I want to know why it’s right to do them or why people do them. So I’ll explain them in other terms—where does that stop? Where are the basic principles such that when I ask, wait, but why that, they answer me: that’s just self-evident, no answer needed. Who sits there at that self-evident foundation? Which principles are so basic, or so self-evident? My feeling is that in the world of serving God, Torah study sits there. And when I want to ask why we study Torah, that’s an illegitimate question. It’s an illegitimate question because I’m expecting an explanation in terms of another principle which is supposedly self-evident. Torah study is the principle that is self-evident. Meaning, through it I can explain other things—meaning, because the Torah says such-and-such, therefore one must do such-and-such. So the principle—because whenever we look for explanations, we obviously have to define for ourselves in terms of what we want the explanation, meaning what are the principles that we accept, which we’re allowed to use in order to explain other things. Without defining such things there’s no point in looking for explanations, right? We have to start from something on which one can build. Otherwise it will be… turtles all the way down, right, like the famous story. Meaning, that chain of explanation will never stop. Now my feeling, at least—or again, the way I sense the environment, not only in the personal sense—is that Torah study sits there. Why isn’t it really self-evident? What? Why isn’t it really self-evident, in your opinion? But again, for the person who asks, for the person who asks it’s not self-evident. But I don’t know—I have no way to bring him a source or a justification or an explanation for why it really is so. If he isn’t there, then he isn’t there, so okay, there’s nothing to do. But when I try to discern—not to know what to answer, but to know what to answer myself—meaning, I’m trying to understand where I stand on this issue, or where people generally, it seems to me, in the yeshiva world more or less stand. I think they stand there. And therefore many times these explanations are explanations that don’t really hold water, because people aren’t aware that when you look for an explanation, you’ll always have to assume something that itself doesn’t need explanation.
[Speaker D] You need a very special and specific context of a Jew and Jewish life and Torah study for this to become something self-evident. Okay, right. Like the yeshiva
[Speaker E] world.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Right.
[Speaker D] And because this yeshiva-centeredness is so self-evident, you still have to…
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, so that’s why I say: I have a problem, call it pedagogical, or polemical, if I’m arguing or educating or explaining, whatever, that’s a problem. I don’t know what to do with it. I’m only saying: when I explain it to myself, not to someone else, I want to know, wait, why do I actually do this? Now when I’m inside this whole thing, I’m already inside it. And from within it, it seems self-evident to me. Meaning, I’m not looking for explanations. I can try to describe to someone else: listen, if you study and you’re inside it and you internalize it and live it and so on, then it will become self-evident to you too, you won’t need explanations. The question is whether that will persuade him and whether he’ll be willing to start entering the thing in order to try me out or test me—I don’t know. That’s a pedagogical problem; I don’t know what to do with it.
[Speaker F] If it’s explicitly written in the Torah, isn’t that an answer? What?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, fine, then he’ll do it as a commandment. But the question is why do it in the essential sense—not because it’s a commandment, but why did the Holy One, blessed be He, actually command it this way? The Holy One commanded it, fine, I understand. Why did He really command it? What is achieved by it? Why is it useful? Understand? You can ask these questions about all reasons for commandments in general. It’s not an ill-defined question if you accept answers of that kind. Why do we put on tefillin? Because it says in the Torah that we have to put on tefillin. So what is the meaning of reasons for the commandments? Reasons for the commandments always mean trying to find an explanation for why it says in the Torah that one must put on tefillin—not why I do it; I do it because it’s written in the Torah. But why does the Torah write that, on the assumption that it isn’t just saying arbitrary things, as Maimonides writes, that there are no arbitrary things.
[Speaker G] Maybe it really is good pedagogy to tell someone: if you do it, you’ll feel it?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] I’m saying that’s an option, but I may have a pedagogical problem if I can’t persuade him and he won’t try doing it, fine. But when I ask myself where I stand—not what I explain to others and how I bring everyone to repentance—but why am I really there? Why do I really see this as such a foundational thing? Then it seems to me that this is the most correct answer.
[Speaker H] The fact is that Dafna said that in the yeshiva in Yerucham this question and polemic came up.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] But I think that’s exactly the point. Many times, people who ask this question are people who aren’t aware of that. If I tell them this, it will click for them. You understand? Meaning, many times people feel, what’s the problem—you don’t do things without a reason. Even if it’s clear to you, okay, maybe it’s clear to me, but still I need to give myself some kind of reflection, some kind of self-observation: wait, but what’s the explanation? Meaning, why do I do it? The fact that it feels right to me is not an explanation. We’re rational people. When we do something, it’s supposed to have some reason or some utility or whatever. And then you tell a person, wait a second—that’s not right. A rational person does not always do things because of some utility external to the thing. Sometimes the thing itself is my value; I don’t need to reduce it to something else. And that itself—for them, there I don’t have a pedagogical problem, or at least with many of them I didn’t. The moment I said it, they identified with it, I think—at least many of them. But people still ask this question because very many people are not aware of this option. This option that who said everything needs a reason? Meaning, who said that? After all, every causal chain stops somewhere. So if Torah study isn’t what’s at the bottom, some other value is there. If I asked you why that other value is right, what would you answer me? People generally don’t ask themselves that question, so somehow it seems obvious that every question should be asked and one should expect an answer. And then you say to a person, wait just a second—answers always presuppose something, so maybe this itself is the assumption and doesn’t need an explanation. Many times when people talk about serving God—not only why study Torah—there’s an article by Ross, Tamar Ross’s husband, Yaakov Yehoshua, right? He has an article on why we observe commandments. He discusses Wittgenstein there and proposes some variation on the answer. And basically, in one formulation or another, the answer is like this. Meaning, there’s something Leibowitzian there, right? People have the feeling: what do you mean, just like that? “Just because” is not an answer, as they say, right? Meaning, what’s “just because”? We’re rational people; we don’t do things for nothing, right? So it sounds irrational, illogical. When a person examines himself, it’s really very persuasive—after all, “just because” isn’t rational, I need an explanation. And then it takes some pedagogical effort to tell the person: no, that’s not true. Meaning, you can say “just because,” you’re allowed to say “just because,” since every explanation in any event presupposes some number of such “just becauses” that stand at the basis, and on that you can build something else. So who says this isn’t one of those? And in fact when he goes through several possible answers in the article, and just as I always felt, he also expresses it—I think not badly, though a bit clumsily—but he expresses it not badly: that all these funny answers, like what is said in Duties of the Heart, or gratitude, or all kinds of things like that—that’s not it, it doesn’t hold water. It doesn’t hold water. I’m not going to sacrifice my life for gratitude, with all due respect. Gratitude is an important thing, a moral value, all true. To dedicate my life to gratitude, to sacrifice my life for gratitude—for something that means nothing to me, just because the Holy One, blessed be He, created me, so I owe Him gratitude, or because He takes care of me, so I owe Him gratitude—that doesn’t persuade me.
[Speaker D] Still, it sounds like a post facto answer. The reality of the Jewish world in certain places, at certain times, is such that Torah study is the central religious occupation, and post facto we’re trying to explain why that is, because in the Torah itself I don’t see that this is
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] some matter of kindness or charity.
[Speaker D] I said—it’s an explanation, if…
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] If I were looking for a source for the matter, that would be a different question. I’m looking for an explanation, not a source. Those are two different things. As for source: there is a commandment of Torah study, so I study Torah. In the Torah itself, it really doesn’t seem that this is the most foundational thing. There’s the Mishnah in Pe’ah, right, “and Torah study is equal to them all”; there are sources in the words of the Sages. But when I look at the Torah—true. But when I try to explain my own religious world to myself, I ask myself what I say about it. Forget the sources; sources are another matter. Sources can be interpreted this way or that way. What does it really give me? I mean, say someone is looking for an explanation for himself and finds some other explanation for himself—an experiential explanation or who knows, whatever each person finds—well, that’s not written in the Torah either, that there are experiences. But he feels that he has experiences, so for him that’s a satisfying explanation. He has no problem, you understand? There’s a difference between the question of explanation and the question of source—two different things. And it’s not even certain that there’s a correlation between them. I’m not betting that this was also the Holy One’s intention. It could be that the religious personality that the Holy One envisioned for Himself at Mount Sinai was completely different from our yeshiva boy, or from the connection to Torah that for us is perceived as at least one of the successful models of serving God—not at all certain. But in our present situation, given this tradition within the world in which we live, what does it mean? My answer is: that’s what it means, that’s all. It could have developed differently too.
[Speaker I] And with someone engaged in Torah study in the yeshiva world, there’s also the intellectual enjoyment, the pleasure of doing it, and that can basically be like enjoying the study of physics.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Obviously. I’m saying—
[Speaker I] So it’s exactly like—no—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] That’s exactly the question: whether that’s really the reason. Reasons of that sort—sharpening the mind, intellectual pleasure, all kinds of reasons that are occasionally suggested—are roughly like the reason of gratitude. They don’t really hold water. If one day I don’t enjoy it, do I stop studying? Maybe some people do, but I’m saying that on the conceptual level it’s clear to me that I shouldn’t. Why not? If the goal is enjoyment, then yes—if I’m not enjoying it, I’ll go to the beach that day. These explanations are possible; you can find them appearing in various books and so on, but they don’t hold water.
[Speaker B] But I’m sure a person who doesn’t enjoy Torah study won’t continue just because he thinks—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] I’m not sure about that. I know a few people who do continue even though they don’t enjoy it. They suffer—each at his own level—but yes, people who don’t really enjoy it and still study, each according to what he can. There are those who do it all day and then they’re really unfortunate, and there are those who do it an hour a day, two hours a day—that’s also something—and they still don’t enjoy it that much, but they do it because from their perspective it’s a basic obligation. And therefore I think these self-interested explanations, let’s call them that, in these senses, do not really exhaust the matter. Again, I’m not asking what is right and what is not right, but what really motivates us. That’s an empirical question, not a normative one: why is it right, and let’s see what the Torah and the sources say. First of all—what really is, what is the reality, what drives us here. I think the most reliable, most correct answer is the “just because.” All the other answers don’t really hold water. And the fact that this isn’t conditional—it shouldn’t be conditional. It is conditional insofar as we are human beings. If on a certain day we don’t enjoy it, I assume we’ll study less well or won’t study at all. Fine, we’re all human. But we also feel that that’s not okay. That one ought to study even when one doesn’t enjoy it. Why? If enjoyment is the reason, then why is it not okay? What’s the problem? There’s something here that cannot be the reason. It can be the reason in the psychological sense. A person who dedicates his life to study generally, or often—sometimes it’s due to constraints—but sometimes these are people to whom this speaks; they enjoy it, it builds them. That’s true in the psychological sense. But when one gives a philosophical or existential account of it, or whatever you want to call it, then a psychological explanation isn’t enough. If I also enjoy speaking slander, then for the sake of Sabbath delight—they already said there’s a permission for Sabbath delight to speak slander on the Sabbath.
[Speaker J] So what does that mean?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Is that good enough? There is—enjoyment, I think, cannot serve as a philosophical explanation. It gives a psychological explanation; that’s certainly true. Everyone combines within his motivations his own psychological tendencies as well. So therefore it seems to me that there is something about Torah study—and “Torah study is equal to them all,” like “Torah study is equal to them all,” the Mishnah there in Pe’ah—that really makes it difficult to ask: why study Torah? What is Torah study for? Because the moment you ask that, you assume that it’s a means to something else, that this other thing is more foundational, more important, and doesn’t need explanation, and the study is only a means. That is not, I think, generally how people conceive of Torah study. And again, I’m saying—not yet in terms of the sources. I’m making an empirical diagnosis, meaning: what do people really feel toward Torah study, beyond the question of what the sources say. What the sources say is more complicated. Okay? People talk about Torah study for its own sake. Right? “As for one who studies not for its own sake, it would have been better had his placenta been turned over on his face,” and Tosafot there says, “from not for its own sake one comes to for its own sake.” So yes, one should also study not for its own sake. Meaning, there are several kinds of “not for its own sake.” But there are several kinds of “not for its own sake,” and what is “for its own sake”? There are several kinds of “not for its own sake.” For example, to study in order to provoke—that’s the case of “it would have been better had his placenta been turned over on his face.” Not for its own sake in order to gain honor—that’s a kind of “not for its own sake” from which one can come to “for its own sake.” Start with that and progress. And what is “for its own sake”? So it’s not honor and of course not provoking, and we didn’t mention earlier—not for enjoyment, not gratitude, not—so what is it? What does “for its own sake” mean?
[Speaker J] For the sake of the commandment of Torah study.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] So “for the sake of the commandment of Torah study” still carries the connotation of what is called “commandments require intention.” You need intention in order to fulfill the obligation. But in Torah study we don’t call it “commandments require intention”; we call it Torah study for its own sake. The concept “for its own sake” and the concept “intention”—by the way, there are some later authorities who mix them up. Rabbi Lichtenstein talks about this once. I actually saw, with only a week or two between them, two books—old ones already, published somewhere in Lithuania, I think. I don’t even remember which books they were. Some sort of review of the Talmud happened to come my way. And in both of them, in one there was an approbation by Rabbi Shimon Shkop and in the other an approbation by Rabbi Elchanan Wasserman. And for some reason that caught my eye, because within about a week I saw two completely different books, and in both approbations they spoke about the same thing: that the author had confused the concept of intention with the concept of “for its own sake.” They are not the same thing. Rabbi Lichtenstein discusses this in Zevachim, at the beginning of his book on Zevachim. Keren Orah mixes them somewhat. “Commandments require intention” means the intention to fulfill one’s obligation—first of all, in terms of the content of the intention, it means intending to fulfill the obligation. That is called “commandments require intention.” Not the kavanot of the Ari or anything like that. The intention to fulfill one’s obligation. And there is a dispute among the halakhic decisors: do commandments require intention or not? Certainly they require it ideally, but the question is whether it is indispensable. That is a dispute among the halakhic decisors, already in the Talmud and later among the decisors. “For its own sake” is an entirely different concept. No connection. When we do something “for its own sake”—leave Torah study aside for the moment—the concept appears in many contexts in Jewish law. We guard the matzot for their own sake. We write a bill of divorce for the sake of the woman, for its own sake. Right? “For the sake of six things is the sacrifice slaughtered”—that’s a Mishnah in Menachot. We do many things “for their own sake.” But “for its own sake” is not “commandments require intention.” First of all, because of the simple fact that the thought of “for its own sake” usually, in most cases, does not accompany the performance of a commandment at all. We build a sukkah for the sake of shade, for example. There is no commandment to build a sukkah; there is a commandment to sit in a sukkah. So what is the “for its own sake” when we build the sukkah? There “for its own sake” doesn’t mean for heaven’s sake, it means for the sake of shade. Doesn’t matter, but that too is one kind of “for its own sake.” Or weaving tzitzit—there is no commandment to weave tzitzit, but the tzitzit must be woven for their own sake. What is “for their own sake”? That is not “commandments require intention.” “Commandments require intention” means an intention that accompanies me while I perform the commandment. That is called “commandments require intention.” One must intend to fulfill one’s obligation. The “for the sake of the unification” formula of the Hasidim—some say that that falls under “commandments require intention.” Fine. But what is “for its own sake”? “For its own sake” is an intention that qualifies an object for a commandment, a thought that qualifies an object for its commandment-use. That is “for its own sake.” When I offer a sacrifice for its own sake, that is a condition in the qualification of the sacrifice; it is not a condition in the act of offering. It is a condition in the qualification of the sacrifice. The sacrifice becomes a sacrifice if I do it with the thought of “for its own sake.” The sukkah becomes a valid sukkah in which one can sit and perform the commandment if I build it for the sake of shade. The bill of divorce can be used to divorce a woman if I write it for its own sake. The matzah—if I guard it for its own sake—it becomes fit to eat, at least on the first night, for the olive-sized portion. So for that you need “for its own sake.” “For its own sake” is not an intention accompanying the performance of a commandment, but rather a thought that is a condition in the qualification of the object for its commandment-use. It is the way in which one must prepare objects for their use as a commandment. That is called “for its own sake,” as opposed to “commandments require intention.”
[Speaker F] Is a sukkah preparation for a commandment? Yes.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] A sukkah not made for the sake of shade is invalid. No—the roofing, the roofing is the sukkah. That’s the first Rashi in Sukkah: the sukkah is named after the roofing.
[Speaker D] And Torah study for its own sake—what does “for its own sake” mean there?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, that’s why I’m introducing this, because Torah study for its own sake is very confusing on this map. Because Torah study for its own sake does indeed seem like something related to intention. After all, I study Torah—that’s the commandment of Torah study, right? And the intention accompanying it is to study Torah for its own sake. So why is that called “for its own sake” and not “intention”?
[Speaker D] It should be intention; “for its own sake” according to this would mean for the sake of doing it.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Meaning for the sake of doing it?
[Speaker D] Torah study for its own sake according to this would be Torah study for the sake of doing it, just as making a sukkah for its own sake means making a sukkah for the sake of shade, and so on and so on.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] But that’s not the intention to fulfill one’s obligation. Yes, not for the sake of—exactly, that’s why I gave this introduction. On the face of it, Torah study for its own sake is simply an intention accompanying the fulfillment of the commandment of Torah study. Commandments require intention. So according to the one who says commandments do not require intention, one need not study for its own sake? Or perhaps it doesn’t invalidate—I don’t know, maybe one can reconcile it—but that’s not it. The concept “for its own sake” is a different concept. Even though in this case it really does accompany a commandment-act and not the preparation of an object for its commandment. But still, the use of the term “for its own sake” means that the significance here is not intention. The significance here is that it turns the study into study, into the object-status of study, in the language of Rabbi Chaim. Meaning that even abstract objects are still an object-status.
[Speaker K] Here, is “for its own sake” not the opposite, say, of what in the laws of the Sabbath is called an unintentional act?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] You’re asking what I have to think. I’m asking why one has to think. Those are different questions. What is achieved by the thought of “for its own sake.” You’re asking what the content of that thought is. What one has to think. No—I have to think about the fact that I’m studying Torah and not just engaging mindlessly.
[Speaker L] And that’s like in the negative sense—not that you should learn the way you read, I don’t know what.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Be aware that you’re studying—then that’s “commandments require intention.” Intention comes to exclude an unintentional act. Not “for its own sake.”
[Speaker M] Could it be that “for its own sake” in Torah study means not for the sake of anything else?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Yes, exactly. That’s the content of “for its own sake.” Meaning, “for its own sake”—but I’m saying, until now I haven’t yet spoken about the content of “for its own sake,” only about its halakhic function. Meaning, the concept “for its own sake” is not something that accompanies the performance of a commandment or the act of a commandment, but something that is supposed to shape the object used for the commandment. Now in Torah study there isn’t really an object, right? It’s something abstract, never mind. But the term used is the term “for its own sake,” not the term “intention.” And therefore, in Nefesh HaChaim, Gate 4, he indeed brings the Rosh in Nedarim, where the Talmud says there: “Do the matters for the sake of their Maker, and speak of them for their own sake.” That’s a verse. So what’s the difference? He says, “do the matters”—that’s the commandments. Those you do for the sake of their Maker, the One who made the commandments, meaning the Holy One, blessed be He. That is, commandments require intention. One must intend to fulfill the obligation of the commandment of the Holy One, blessed be He. “And speak of them for their own sake.” Meaning when you do, it is for the sake of their Maker, and when you speak—that is, Torah study—it is for their own sake. What’s the difference between “for the sake of their Maker” and “for their own sake”? So the Rosh—did I say Ran? The Rosh in Nedarim—the Rosh in Nedarim says: for the sake of the Torah. Torah study for its own sake means for the sake of the Torah. Torah is an end in itself. That is called “for its own sake.” The thought-content of “for its own sake” in Torah study for its own sake—and now this sums up everything I said earlier—the content of the thought of “for its own sake” in Torah study for its own sake is that I do not do it for anything else; rather, I study because I need to study. That is the reason. The “just because.” The “just because” I mentioned before—that is “for its own sake.” All right? There should be no other thought there. Now notice: not a thought of love of God, not a thought of fear of God, not all the other thoughts. You need to study. Nefesh HaChaim says this: you need to study for the sake of study. Not for any other reason, however lofty. He also elaborates there that fear of God and love of God are not it. Meaning, he says it explicitly; it’s not just my own idea. Okay? So what is it then? To study Torah for the sake of Torah study. That is a value in itself. It does not stand on—it cannot be reduced to another, more fundamental value, exactly what I said earlier with that “just because.” Okay? This is Lithuanianism in its full embodiment.
[Speaker D] So I was afraid this is the most, the most unnecessary commandment there is, because it’s just a waste of time if you fulfill it properly. Why? Because you don’t do it for the sake of love, not for the sake of fear, maybe not even for the sake of accumulating practical knowledge in order to observe commandments. Right. It would be preferable to learn the Zohar in translation. Why preferable? Because that way it’s most purely for its own sake.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Why? No, again, there’s a mistake here. I’ll answer you through an example. In the introduction to Eglei Tal by the Sochatchover, he brings there that many people err and say that someone who studies and enjoys it, that is study not for its own sake. Because you’re doing it for the enjoyment, not for the study. Too good to be kosher, as they say. So he says there: there is no greater mistake than this. Why? Every morning we bless: “Please make the words of Your Torah sweet in our mouths, Lord our God.” We want it to be sweet to us. We ask for that. Right? It’s in the blessing.
[Speaker N] Like praying that kosher food should be tasty, even though…
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] In the blessing. That would be a futile prayer—to pray that kosher food should be tasty is a futile prayer. But there’s a mathematical statement, you know, that non-kosher food is by definition tastier than kosher food—greater than or equal. It has to be; it’s true. Because whoever eats non-kosher has all the options. So if the kosher option were tastier, he would choose the kosher one—what’s the problem? So by definition a non-kosher restaurant will be tastier than a kosher restaurant. That’s a theorem; it’s not… Of course that’s how it is. Really—don’t think that’s a joke; it’s not a joke. It’s simply a system of constraints. Fewer constraints, so you’ll reach higher achievements. That’s always how it is. The Ran writes—just associations—the Ran writes that many times the system of commandments is less moral than foreign legal systems of gentiles. That’s what he writes in Derashot HaRan. Why? Because Jewish law has goals beyond morality and justice and social order; it also has religious goals. So by definition it will come out less successful from the moral aspect. Because if there are systems whose whole purpose is only to achieve the moral goal, they’ll usually achieve it better. Since if Jewish law has a more moral solution they too will adopt it, but Jewish law will not adopt their solution if it conflicts with religious principles, even if it is the most moral and most just solution. And therefore many times it comes out that Jewish law has a moral inferiority relative to other systems, in the moral aspect—overall that isn’t so, because overall one needs to be good both in the religious senses and in the moral senses. But yes, once you want to achieve more, then on every front you’ll be less good. “None defeated me except a craftsman of one trade,” as Shimon HaTzaddik says there in Nazir. Someone who has one trade is always better than someone engaged in a hundred thousand things at once. Where were we? Eglei Tal. Right. So Eglei Tal says that this is a mistake, and “Please make the words of Your Torah sweet in our mouths, Lord our God.” There’s a less familiar part in Eglei Tal, where he adds there and says: but someone who studies for the sake of the enjoyment—that really is study not for its own sake. Two different things. It is permitted to enjoy Torah study, desirable to enjoy Torah study, but enjoyment is not the reason you study. An indication: if you don’t enjoy it, do you continue studying or not? If enjoyment is the reason, then if you don’t enjoy it, you don’t study, right? But I can study because I need to study, and I would study even if I didn’t enjoy it, but besides that I also enjoy it—what’s wrong with that? Okay? So Eglei Tal says: certainly it is desirable and proper to enjoy it, and there is nothing invalid about that. But when enjoyment is the reason for the study, the thing for whose sake you study, that is study not for its own sake. Still, one should study that way too, so that from not for its own sake one may come to for its own sake—but it is not the complete study. Okay? It is study not for its own sake. I return to what you described earlier: same thing. Meaning, the fact that I study something that also helps me know what to do does not invalidate it, so long as I am not studying for that reason. If I study for that—if that is the reason I study, like with enjoyment—then it is not, it is not Torah study. What’s the proof?
[Speaker K] That’s according to Nefesh HaChaim; it’s not accepted by everyone.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Okay, now I’ll bring a halakhic proof for it, and then it’ll be more accepted. What’s the proof? In the Shulchan Arukh it is written that women recite the blessing over Torah study. Right? So the Magen Avraham there asks: why? After all, they are exempt from the commandment of Torah study. His assumption, apparently, is that this is a blessing over a commandment. I actually don’t agree with that assumption, but that’s what he assumes. It’s a blessing over a commandment. Therefore they recite the blessing over Torah study. Fine? And this is what it means to be exempt from Torah study. Women are exempt from Torah study, but they are obligated to learn what they need to know in order to observe. But if Torah study means studying in order to know what to observe, then women are obligated in the commandment of Torah study. In what sense are they exempt? Women are exempt from Torah study because Torah study is not that. To study in order to know what to do is preparation for a commandment. Of course one must do that, one must study in order to know what to do. That is preparation for a commandment; of course one must engage in it because one needs to know what to do. But that is not the commandment of Torah study—those are two entirely different things. It is preparation for the commandment of, I don’t know, sukkah or tefillin or whatever it may be. All right? So yes, one has to know what to do. It’s a means; it’s not a commandment. The commandment of Torah study is not that, and that is what women are exempt from. Okay? And here there is a conclusive proof in favor of this claim, at least according to the Mishnah Berurah and the Magen Avraham. Maybe one can suggest other explanations, but I’m saying that according to this conception, it is certainly so.
[Speaker O] And what about the conclusion they reached that study is greater because study leads to action? Is study greater or action greater? Ah, so here I’ll talk—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] Fine, I’ll get to that now that you ask. What?
[Speaker E] Is this the only commandment that’s like this, that has no “for its own sake” except this kind of thing? In action, you said, there are all kinds of “for its own sake”—with sukkah it’s that there should be shade, to look at the “for its own sake.” Is this the only commandment that is just like that?
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] No, but it’s the same with a sukkah too—what’s the difference? A sukkah is like that as well. A sukkah is for shade. And what if I don’t want shade? Doesn’t matter—that’s how a sukkah is defined. It’s also just like that; it’s also a kind of “just because that’s what it is.” And writing a bill of divorce for the sake of the woman—that’s something essentially different. I write it specifically for her, and only then is the bill of divorce valid. And if I write it for the sake of another woman, then that bill of divorce is invalid. That’s the exact same kind of “just so” as in Torah study, where there too there’s a concept of “for its own sake” meaning: that’s simply how it is. That’s what “for its own sake” means. To do something for its own sake means to do it that way. Again, where that “way” has some content depending on the matter at hand—but not “not for that way” in the sense that it has no reason outside itself. Meaning, I can’t ground it in something else; it stands on its own. No one would say that a sukkah is intended for shade. That’s not it. But if it doesn’t provide shade, it’s not a sukkah. So it’s still a matter of “that’s how it is.” Not that I sit in a sukkah because I want shade. That’s not the meaning of “for its own sake” in a sukkah. There’s this “just so” in every case of “for its own sake.” So I’m saying: the answer to what you said, Yonatan, is this: if I study useful things, there’s no problem—that’s perfectly fine. Useful in the sense that they help me know what to do—that’s completely fine, so long as I’m not studying out of the desire to know what to do, but because one has to study. And besides that, I also want to know what to do. Fine, that’s very good—you should know what to do. So which is greater: action or study?
[Speaker B] Right, so—
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] So is study greater, or is action greater? That’s what we asked. Look, “is study greater or is action greater” is also, in my opinion, a terribly confusing set of statements, but I think people don’t interpret them correctly. For example, that very Talmudic passage: is study greater or is action greater? They voted and concluded: study is greater because it leads to action. That sentence is almost an oxymoron. What does it mean, “study is greater because it leads to action”? If study is the means and action is the goal, then that’s actually a good reason to say precisely that action is greater, not that study is greater. I mean, study is greater—why? Because it leads to action. So I don’t understand: if action is the goal and study is the means, then which one is greater? The lesser depends on the greater, right? In other words, the lesser is a means for attaining the more fundamental goal. So what kind of statement is that? What that statement really means is something else. There’s a discussion about whether study is greater or action is greater, and the conclusion is that the whole discussion is based on a mistake. There aren’t two such things at all. “Study is greater because it leads to action,” or “the study that leads to action is greater”—the meaning is: study that leads to action is what’s called study. That is the great study. There’s no need to split these two things apart. Rather, study that leads to action is the way one studies. The Gemara constantly asks: what practical difference does it make, right? When something is brought, what practical difference does it make? In betrothing a woman—what do you care what practical difference it makes? No. Study has to end with a practical conclusion. It doesn’t matter—it may even be non-applicable, by the way. It could be a conclusion that we will never actually implement in life, but the end of the learning, the bottom line, has to be a practical conclusion. That is the meaning of Torah study. And study that remains with some abstract speculations without deriving practical conclusions from them is not study. That’s what “study is greater because it leads to action” means. Study that ends in a practical conclusion—that is the great study. And therefore you can’t really draw a distinction between study and action. It’s one chain of study that ends in a practical conclusion. And of course, if you’ve reached the practical conclusion, then you have to carry it out if the occasion arises, if you’re in the relevant circumstances—but that has nothing to do with the question of study.
[Speaker D] We said there are two types of Torah study. There is Torah study in order to know what to do—that’s the Torah study that women are also obligated in.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] That’s not study.
[Speaker D] Right, it’s not study. It’s preparation for a commandment. And then there’s the Torah study of “just because,” in principle.
[Rabbi Michael Abraham] But the Torah study of “just because”—that’s what I’m talking about now. The Torah study of “just because” has to end in a practical conclusion. But even the Torah study of “just because” has aspects that don’t have a practical conclusion. There are no such aspects. First of all, in the study of profound matters—the Work of Creation and the Work of the Chariot—I understand from the explanation in tractate Hagigah that this is part of Torah study. That—you can discuss. But even in the Work of Creation and the Work of the Chariot there are practical conclusions—what do you mean? How to make calves? That too. But you know, all sorts of aggadic midrashim—do they always have some practical conclusion? No, and in fact they are not the complete study. Nefesh HaChayim of Volozhin writes there in Gate 4—although in the end he tries somehow to defend it after all, but if you read his wording carefully—I didn’t find the passage in Nefesh HaChayim earlier when I went through it, but I wanted to bring it—pay attention, because he doesn’t say it explicitly, but it’s clear that this is what he means. He says that Jewish law is the central thing—why? Because He and His will are one. Jewish law and the Holy One, blessed be He, are one and the same thing. And therefore, as the author of Tanya writes, when you study—that’s the cleaving I talked about earlier—when you study, you are essentially cleaving to His will, because His will is present there; you are engaged with His will, you are literally cleaving. Not that it’s experiential or something like that, but rather, you are engaged with the desires of the Holy One, blessed be He, and He and His desires are one thing. Okay? Now he moves on: and why do we study aggadah? He asks that—and people don’t stop to notice it. It’s a very interesting question. What do you mean, why? Because that too is cleaving to His will—no, no, no. That is a real question, and it has a different answer. People don’t notice. It’s one of those questions that sounds very innocent. Why study aggadah? Because aggadah is not the will of God. In aggadah it doesn’t say what to do, and if it doesn’t say what to do, then there is no expressed will of the Holy One, blessed be He, here. So in what sense is this Torah study? That’s a difficulty. So Nefesh HaChayim says—and there he changes style, and people can’t read it without noticing the whole move—that it is the word of God, not the will of God. Meaning, there are things that the Holy One, blessed be He, said, but did not will or command. Right? His wills are things like tefillin, or that if an ox gores, then we should act such-and-such a way. Those are wills, yes? He commands us: I want you to do such-and-such. Aggadot are ideas, thought, various things of that type. That is not the will of God; it is the word of God. And the Holy One, blessed be He, speaks it, and therefore engagement with this too has a certain sense of cleaving. But from the comparison he makes there, it’s clear that the study of Jewish law is the complete study, because the study of Jewish law is both the word of God and the will of God. He both said it and wants it. So there you cleave to Him completely. And the study of aggadah is also fine—engage in it a few minutes a day, fear of Heaven, that sort of thing—this is what he writes there, a measure of preservative. Right? He compares it to a measure of preservative that one puts into grain. The grain is the meat and wine—that’s the learning, the study of Jewish law of course; learning means the study of Jewish law. And into the storehouse you put in a measure of preservative so that pests won’t come and damage the grain. So here too, put in a little bit of fear of Heaven and a little engagement with other things. By the way, he brings that Gemara in Gittin about the concubine in Gibeah, where there was a dispute concerning the concubine in Gibeah whether he found a fly on her or found a hair on her. Then Rabbi Evyatar meets Elijah the Prophet and asks him: what is the Holy One, blessed be He, doing? So he says: He is engaged in the passage of the concubine in Gibeah. Of course—what else? And then he says, well, and what does He say in that passage? So he says: My son Yonatan says thus, and My son Evyatar says thus. That is what the Holy One, blessed be He, says. And he said to him: Heaven forbid—is there doubt before Heaven? The Holy One, blessed be He, doesn’t know what happened there? Whether it was a fly or a hair? How can that be? So he says: he found a fly and was not upset; he found a hair and was upset—and both these and those are the words of the living God. Actually, the order is the other way around: both these and those are the words of the living God; he found a fly and was not upset, he found a hair and was upset. That’s what the Gemara says there. What does it mean? That’s another discussion—we’d have to discuss “these and those”—but notice: both these and those are the words of the living God. Why “words”? First of all because it’s an aggadic passage. But “both these and those are the words of the living God” is also said about the schools of Shammai and Hillel, and there we are dealing with halakhic disputes. Why is it called “words”? Because when there is a dispute between two sides, it cannot be that both are the will of God. If the Holy One, blessed be He, wants the rival wife of one’s daughter to be permitted, then the one who says the rival wife of one’s daughter is forbidden is not the will of God. But it is the word of God. In that sense, it is Torah study. Even if you state an opinion that is not correct in Jewish law, and is simply incorrect—not that both are right. “These and those” does not mean “these and those are the will of God”; it means “these and those are the words of the living God.” The point is that both have the status of Torah study. Why? Because the Holy One, blessed be He, spoke it. But it is not His will—He wants what is correct, not both opinions. Okay. And in general, that is not how people usually learn “these and those are the words of the living God,” but it seems to me that when you read Nefesh HaChayim carefully, you see that this is really a different interpretation in Nefesh HaChayim. And that’s the distinction he makes there in several chapters, in several places, almost in passing. He doesn’t say it sharply anywhere—that this is the will of God and that is the word of God, and that these are different things, and the will of God is the essence. But God also didn’t speak the—what? And God also didn’t speak the thing? No, that’s the claim: that everything a veteran student will one day innovate, the Holy One, blessed be He, showed—or said, there are different midrashim—to Moses at Sinai. And why? In order to make it Torah. So that even if you’re mistaken, you are still engaged in Torah, you are cleaving to Him, and so on. Because otherwise, really—who knows? If you’re not right, then you could waste your whole life on things where in fact you did nothing at all; it’s not the will of God and you just wasted your time. No. Anyone who engages in this is, from My perspective, studying Torah, says the Holy One, blessed be He—but it is Torah as the word of God, not the will of God. Okay, this also appears in the Tanya. I said that Nefesh HaChayim and the Tanya stand on opposite sides of the barricade there, yet they use terminology and structure and ideas so similar that sometimes you need a microscope to understand the difference—even though that book was written against Hasidism, which makes it even more interesting, of course. So in chapters 4 and 5 he speaks there about the meaning of Torah study, and in chapter 4 he says: “Every divine soul also has three garments, which are thought, speech, and action through the 613 commandments of the Torah. When a person fulfills in action all the practical commandments, and in speech occupies himself with explaining all the 613 commandments and their laws, and in thought comprehends all that he is able to comprehend in the orchard of Torah, then the totality of the 613 limbs of his soul are clothed in the 613 commandments of the Torah. And in particular the faculties of wisdom, understanding, and knowledge of his soul…” Meaning, garment—three garments of thought, speech, and action—this is basically a way of cleaving to the Holy One, blessed be He. That is the meaning of study. Again, this is not a conception of study in order to know what to do. Rather, all action and study are different forms of cleaving to the Holy One, blessed be He. This is to cleave to Him through the limbs, this is to cleave to Him through speech, and this is to cleave to Him through thought. Study is to cleave to Him through thought; fulfillment of commandments is to cleave to Him through the limbs. Then he writes, “And to further explain well the term ‘grasp,’ as Elijah said: no thought can grasp You…” Behold, whenever the intellect understands and comprehends some concept, the intellect grasps the concept and encompasses it within the intellect, and the concept is grasped and encompassed and clothed within the intellect that understood and comprehended it. And the intellect too is clothed in the concept at the time it understands and grasps it with its intellect. By way of example: when a person understands and comprehends some law in the Mishnah or in the Gemara properly and thoroughly, then his intellect grasps and encompasses it, and his intellect is also clothed in it at that time. And behold, this law is literally the wisdom and will of the Holy One, blessed be He”—the language of Nefesh HaChayim—“for it arose in the will of the Holy One, blessed be He, that when Reuven makes such-and-such a claim, by way of example, and Shimon makes such-and-such a claim, the ruling between them should be such-and-such.” And even if this matter never was and never will be brought to judgment over these claims and demands—there will never be such an actual trial—but we learned in the passage that if Shimon claims such-and-such and Reuven claims such-and-such, then the ruling is such-and-such. So what value does it have? After all, it will never come to realization. That’s exactly our question, right? So why study it if not in order to implement it? So he says: because this formulation is the will of God. God’s will is that if someone says this and someone says that, then the Jewish law should be such-and-such. That is the will of God. So when I study this, I am clothed in the will of the Holy One, blessed be He; I become united, כביכול, with the will of the Holy One, blessed be He. This is cleaving to the Holy One, blessed be He. Therefore, all study must also end in a practical conclusion. A practical conclusion not in the sense of carrying it out—I repeat, “study in order to fulfill,” not in the sense that I have to study in order to perform—but rather, the conclusion of the study has to be an operative conclusion, because only then is the study complete. I understand what the will of God is; I have distilled the will of God from the passage, and now I cleave to Him. Because this is the will in its purity. If I understand that migo is the power of a claim, that’s not yet will; that’s a concept. Migo—right—“why would I lie,” or the power of a claim, those famous yeshiva-style conceptual distinctions. So I say: that still is not any will of the Holy One, blessed be He. But now, if someone comes and actually makes a migo claim—I don’t know, some migo of boldness—and that kind of migo doesn’t have the same probative force as “why would I lie,” but it does have the power of a claim, never mind, in migo—now this is already will. Before, it was an abstract idea. Once I drew the practical conclusion from it, it became the concrete will of the Holy One, blessed be He. And even if there will never be anyone who makes that claim and no such case will ever come before me, still, when I clarified that will, I essentially cleaved to the Holy One, blessed be He, because He and His will are one. That is what Nefesh HaChayim says in his style, and the author of Tanya in almost the same style. Okay, by the way, I saw some letter of the Lubavitcher Rebbe in which he speaks about the issue of contraction. And there too there is a very interesting contraction of the gap between the author of Tanya and Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin, where he seems, ostensibly, to come out against the Vilna Gaon through Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin on the issue of contraction—though that’s not true; we talked about it at some point in one of the years. So the Lubavitcher Rebbe says that he gets the impression that Rabbi Chaim of Volozhin had read the Tanya, and that he took from there the—I assume he read it because they were in conflict—but that he actually drew ideas from it, not just read it. It’s not merely a statement that he read it. And I think there is a lot of truth to that, not only on the issue of contraction. In many places, it’s quite amazing that two works that are supposed to stand on opposite sides of the barricade are so similar—very similar, very, unmistakably so; it’s not random imagination. In any case, let me return to our matter. So in essence, the claim that study has to end—I’m now answering the question of “study is greater because it leads to action”—that the great study is study that ends in action. The intent is not action in the sense, in our terminology now, of actual performance, but rather in a concrete will of the Holy One, blessed be He. The conclusion has to be a practical conclusion. So according to that, Rabbi Ovadia studied better than Rabbi Chaim? Yes. Yes, although he studies from an incorrect motivation, so what he’s doing is not the commandment of Torah study at all. Because Rabbi Ovadia’s view, and his sons’ as far as I know—I’m not sufficiently expert—is that one studies in order to know what to do. But in the mode of study—not the motivation. But in terms of the form of learning, yes, yes, exactly. Now you can also reach practical conclusions with Rabbi Chaim; the fact that he recoiled from that is another matter, and Brisk-style analysis can also be a means through which you arrive at practical conclusions. This crooked edge that says we engage in conceptual analysis and don’t deal with conclusions is just an unnecessary distortion. Like the difference between a physicist and an engineer? Not exactly, because this is a physicist who has to be aware of the engineering conclusions. An engineer is someone who does not engage in physics; he takes the physicist’s conclusions and builds devices, does something practical with them. I’m saying here that you need to be a combination—that is exactly “study is greater because it leads to action.” If you ask: who is greater, a physicist or an engineer? The answer is: the greater one is a physicist who understands the engineering implications of his physics. Your whole question from the outset was based on a mistake, because you think a physicist is one thing and an engineer is something separate. In this analogy, a physicist with an understanding of the practical meaning of what he does is the greater one. In fact, by the way, the same question also exists in scientific contexts. Just ask philosophers—I don’t know exactly who deals with these things, but every now and then people think about this question. What is the meaning of engaging in science? Some people understand that the role of engaging in science is to know the world better and ultimately enable technology—that is, practical things, practical outputs of scientific ideas. In other words, even if I formulate it in more philosophical terms: that the function of theory is a better acquaintance with the facts. By contrast, men of science—I call them true men of science; of course you can already understand my opinion on the matter—I think they think the opposite. The facts are a means to understand the theory better. The goal is the theory; who cares about the facts at all? But without the facts, I can’t build a theory. Theory is built through wrestling with the facts, trying to understand how I can explain all these facts without contradiction, and that’s how I arrive at a complete theory. That is the outlook of a scientist as opposed to the outlook of an engineer or a technologist. Okay, and in Torah it’s exactly the same thing. The opposite? No—I’m saying both sides are the same issue. That is, in Torah too there is the same discussion: is theory, the conceptual study, the goal, or are the practical conclusions the goal? And I’m saying the answer is a complex answer, because ultimately here you can formulate it in several ways, each with his own formulations, but I’m saying broadly what they all share. But this is the end of the study, and therefore the Gemara always asks: what practical difference does it make? That is not a didactic question—what practical difference does it make? People think “what practical difference does it make?” is only to sharpen the dispute more. No. “What practical difference does it make?” is the end of the passage. After you’ve told me what you told me, I want to understand: what is the will of God that is expressed through the principle you stated? Tell me what it means. If in the end there is no will, then it’s not… theories are theories, and that interests no one. Theories standing by themselves. On the other hand, theories that end in practice—in my personal view at least—what is more important is the theory, not the practice. The practice is not the goal. It’s just that a theory comes to completion, comes to fixation, when you understand what it says in practical terms. I think we all know this: you sit in a lecture and don’t understand, and then the teaching assistant comes and you start understanding a little better, right? But practice—and I think that’s also the terminology—what is practice? Practice is the possibility of understanding the lecture better. Right? They do different things there than in the lecture. In the lecture they learn the ideas, and in the practice session they solve problems—I’m talking, say, about the sciences, doesn’t matter where—so usually that’s the division. You solve physics problems as opposed to learning the theory of physics. But when you define it as practice, you don’t call it implementation; you call it practice. What does that mean? Practice means that through your feet, as it were, you’ll understand the theory better. The goal in the end is to understand the theory better. You’re studying physics, not engineering. Fine—or in engineering too there is theory and practice, never mind, nowadays everything has theory and practice. But I’m saying the goal is to understand the theory better. And the facts by which you test the theory and apply the theory are a means to understand the theory better, to complete it, to stabilize it. Now I hold the theory because I understand what it says. The same is true in Torah. And indeed the conclusion is that ultimately the goal of study is the theory. We want to understand the conception that the Holy One, blessed be He, implanted in the Torah, the mode of thinking, the principles. But we don’t really grasp it until we understand what it means. And therefore “study is greater because it leads to action” is not the subjugation of study in favor of practical halakhic performance; rather, it simply defines what the proper form of study is. The proper form of study is the practical conclusion. And there is a very interesting article by Rabbi Yisrael Salanter, also appearing in Or Yisrael, about the knowledge that there is a practical conclusion—and he doesn’t… To know the conclusion. Not to know that there is a conclusion, but to know the conclusion itself. Yes. Just to know it. Right. That is the end of the study. I know the conclusion. And therefore it doesn’t matter at all—now we’ll see—the stubborn and rebellious son never existed, was never created, and never will exist. That’s one opinion in the Gemara; everyone quotes it, so if one can say, that is more or less what is adopted, let’s say, by most commentators, although there is a dispute about it. I don’t want to call it simply “ruled as Jewish law,” because it isn’t Jewish law. So I study the laws of the stubborn and rebellious son, in Maimonides’ laws of rebels. Yes, there are laws of the stubborn and rebellious son—very detailed laws. Laws that in life were never realized, and the Sages tell us they also won’t happen in the future. They never happened. So first, the question is whether such study has any value at all; and second, whether even there we would say “study is greater because it leads to action.” My answer is yes and yes. It has value exactly like any other study, and it also has the meaning of studying in order to do. “Studying in order to do” means study that leads to action. Now, “to do” does not mean taking the boy to the elders at the gate and stoning him, but rather “to do” in the intellectual context of Torah study means to know what the law is. If the father and mother are alike in appearance and in all sorts of such things, then there is a stubborn and rebellious son, and if not, then not. That is law; that is the bottom line. I understood the passage in practical terms. In practical terms does not mean for execution, but rather: what is the practical conclusion of this collection of ideas that I studied? That is called “study is greater because it leads to action.” And indeed Rabbi Yisrael Salanter opens his article—it is called “Article on Statute and Law”—he opens it with this midrash that is brought there in the Gemara about the stubborn and rebellious son. Yes: the stubborn and rebellious son never existed and never will exist, and why then was it written? Study it and receive reward. The wonder is very great: are there not enough other parts of the Torah—even if a person were to live a thousand years—to study them and receive reward? What kind of statement is this—well, it will never happen, so why was it written? Study it and receive reward. And is it impossible to study and receive reward on things that are practical? Do we have to add another three verses that will never happen so that at last we’ll finally have reward? Don’t we have it from everything else? How can one read this Gemara? What does this Gemara want at all? So he elaborates here, and it’s a very interesting article, by the way, written in a style… go ahead and read it, it’s very interesting. And the bottom line is that he discusses exactly this question: is the role of study to enable me to know what to do, or is study a value in itself? And Rabbi Yisrael Salanter, also one of the founding fathers of Lithuanianism, holds that study is a value in itself, and not in order to know what to do. And he says that this is what is written in the Gemara here. What the Gemara is saying here is that the stubborn and rebellious son was written for the sake of “study and receive reward”—not so that we should study and receive reward for the section of the stubborn and rebellious son, but in order to teach me the principle that Torah is studied for the sake of “study and receive reward.” How do they teach me that principle? They write a section in the Torah that never was and never will be, and tell me: this too is part of the Torah. What does that mean? It is a paradigm for the rest of the Torah: just as this is studied and is Torah study in every respect, although it will never be realized and is not executable, so too in the rest of the Torah, even in those parts that are executable, Torah study is not study in order to perform, but study for the sake of “study and receive reward.” In other words, what we learn from the stubborn and rebellious son is not that the verses were written so that we receive reward for studying them, but rather so that we learn the principle of “study and receive reward.” That is what these verses teach us. And for that purpose the Torah intentionally wrote verses that do not come to realization, in order to teach this idea about Torah study in general. Then he brings another proof and says: “And in light of what we have said, the words of our Sages will be illuminated: ‘They did not listen to My voice’ means ‘they did not walk in it.’” And what is “they did not listen to My voice” and “they did not walk in it”? Isn’t that the same thing? What’s the difference? Rav Yehuda said in the name of Rav: because they did not recite the blessing on the Torah first. Yes—why are the children of Torah scholars not commonly Torah scholars as well? Because their parents, the Torah scholars, did not recite the blessing on the Torah first. And in tractate Nedarim 81 they explained that they did not recite the blessing on the Torah when they rose early to study Torah; see there. And the Maharsha was deeply astonished at this strange desire. Every sensible Torah scholar invests his whole life in Torah study, but he cuts corners on the blessing on the Torah—in the morning he doesn’t recite the blessing on the Torah. It’s a strange kind of impulse. Why? What does he have against the blessing on the Torah? He does everything else, he devotes his life to Torah—so why doesn’t he bless? So he says: every person is astonished by this strange desire—not to be lazy in Torah study, which saps a person’s strength, in that they are not lazy, only not to bless over it at the beginning—in that they are lazy; they don’t say the blessing on the Torah. And the Ran wrote in the name of Rabbeinu Yonah, may his memory be blessed: they were constantly engaged in Torah and did not bless first. That is to say, the Torah was not important enough in their eyes that it should warrant a blessing, for they were not engaged in it for its own sake, and therefore they treated the blessing lightly. End quote. And this is very puzzling—to say that because of that they would treat lightly the blessing on the Torah, which is of Torah origin, when there is no desire at all interfering. After all, there is no desire telling me not to recite the blessing on the Torah. What is the meaning of this impulse? He says: however, according to what we explained—what we explained, that Torah study is not in order to do, but study for the sake of study itself—for we say in tractate Menachot 42b: every commandment whose performance completes the commandment, such as circumcision and so on, requires a blessing. And every commandment whose performance does not complete the commandment, such as tefillin, where making them is not the completion of the commandment until one binds them on, the making itself does not require a blessing—see there. What does this mean? They explain there—it’s Gemara language that can bear several interpretations—but the accepted understanding is that one does not bless over preparatory acts for a commandment. Say, writing tefillin or making tefillin is not the commandment; it is preparation for a commandment. The commandment is to put on tefillin, and we do not bless over that preparation. Likewise building a sukkah—though yes, the Jerusalem Talmud is well known—but building a sukkah is the same; that too is an example brought there in Menachot. Therefore, he says, the Babylonian Talmud disagrees with the Jerusalem Talmud regarding sukkah. I don’t think that’s right, but never mind. And there are blessings like “to make tefillin,” “to make tzitzit.” In the Jerusalem Talmud there is also a blessing on sukkah. Also on sukkah there is a blessing? Yes, of course. No, I mean the dispute about the definition of the commandment—whether there is a commandment to build a sukkah according to the Jerusalem Talmud. Ah, you mean that the fact that one blesses on preparation doesn’t mean that it’s itself a commandment? According to the Jerusalem Talmud one blesses even on preparatory acts, that’s all. So he says: then why does he bring that Gemara in Menachot? Because he says: therefore according to this, over the commandment of Torah study in the legal, logical sense—study in order to know what to do—one need not bless. Because if we study in order to know what to do, then the study is preparation for a commandment. Right? To know what to do. So over that one need not bless. And its performance—that is, the learning—is not the completion of the commandment, because the performance of the commandment of Torah study is not the end; it is only preparation for a commandment, until he fulfills what he studied. For the whole point of the commandment is to study in order to know the deed. And the blessing on the Torah is founded—he too assumes, like the Magen Avraham and the Mishnah Berurah, that it is a blessing on a commandment—on the commandment of Torah study in the category of statute. There is Torah study in the category of law—logical Torah study, where you study in order to know what to do—and there is Torah study in the category of statute: to study Torah “just because,” because that’s how it must be. Those are statutes, things without an apparent reason. So he says that the blessing on the Torah was instituted for the commandment of Torah study as statute, not as law. Or in other words: for the commandment of Torah study, and not for studying in order to do, because that is not the commandment of Torah study. Therefore, since desire ruled over them and they wanted only to study within the category of law, because human intellect obligates it—one has to study in order to know what to do, it’s very logical—those Torah scholars studied seriously, invested their lives in Torah study. Why? In order to know what to do. And therefore they did not recite the blessing on the Torah, because they thought Torah study was a means. They disagreed with the very basis of the blessing on the Torah; it wasn’t that they had some impulse not to bless. They thought Torah study was a means, preparation for a commandment. And because of that, their sons did not come out as Torah scholars, because they do not understand what Torah study is. One who understands what Torah study is studies not in order to know what to do, but for the sake of study itself—for the “just because.” And that is what he says; this is what he had brought earlier in the name of the Ran, from Rabbeinu Yonah: they were constantly engaged in Torah and did not bless on the Torah first—meaning that the Torah was not important enough in their eyes. What does that mean? It was a means and not an end. So it is less important as a means, right? We discussed: “study is greater because it leads to action.” It leads to action—so why is it greater? It’s a means. Because they understood it literally, so it really was only a means: they were not engaged in it for its own sake. What does “not engaged in it for its own sake” mean? We discussed earlier what “for its own sake” means. “For its own sake” is the “just because,” right? To engage in it not in order to know what to do, but for its own sake. And those Torah scholars did not regard Torah as important because they perceived it as a means. They did not engage in it for its own sake; therefore they did not recite the blessing on the Torah, because one does not recite blessings over commandments on preparatory acts for commandments, but only over the fulfillment of the commandment itself, at the end of the process. Okay, so that is basically his claim regarding Torah study, and it continues what he said about the stubborn and rebellious son. There too, when we study it—even though it has no implementation whatsoever—it still has to end in practical conclusions. The stubborn and rebellious son has to be “study and receive reward.” But isn’t “study and receive reward” itself not for its own sake? “For its own sake” in the sense of “study and receive reward” does not mean that you should study it in order to receive the reward. It is not talking about your motivation. Study it—that is your motivation—and for that you will receive reward. It is not describing my motivation as though I study in order to get reward; that would just be—it would simply be a contradiction in the Gemara. The Gemara says that doing something in order to get reward is not for its own sake, right? So obviously you can’t read it that way. Rather, it should be read as: for this purpose it was written—in order to study it—and for that you will receive reward, for the very act of studying, not for the fulfillment. “Study and receive reward” means that the reward you receive is for the fact that you study it for the sake of studying it, not for the sake of fulfilling it, because it won’t be fulfilled; there will never be a stubborn and rebellious son. For that you receive reward; that is the commandment. It’s simply an indication that that is the commandment, and for that you receive reward. And what about the idolatrous city? There is another commandment like that. Yes, so I think once we spoke about it and I had a whole pilpul on it. There are other things in that same Gemara—the idolatrous city never existed and was never created, and so on. So if that’s the case, then these are two verses teaching the same point, which normally do not establish a general rule, and the question is whether one can learn from this about the rest of the Torah as well, that there too one should study not in order to fulfill. Fine, these are dialectical subtleties. And what about the issue of limited resources? Meaning, okay, if we have limited time—no problem, that’s a legitimate consideration. So then you can study things that will also help you know what to do; that’s perfectly fine. But that’s a consideration of bundling commandments together—meaning, you do the commandment of Torah study and along with it you also engage in preparation for a commandment in order to know what to do. That doesn’t mean your Torah study is greater. But correct, make your own calculation. If I have Torah study where at the same time I also gain, I don’t know, more money, or I’ll also manage to build a sukkah, or I don’t know, do something else—no problem. So I’ll make that calculation, and in terms of my own considerations I’ll prefer to do that. But that is not a preference in the laws of Torah study. In the laws of Torah study, there is no preference here at all. All right? Okay, we’ll stop here for now.