Another Look at Proofs, Faith, and Religious Language (Column 513)
The subject of faith in God and its relation to philosophical proofs is discussed at length in my book The First Being. I believe I was quite cautious there regarding the transition from faith in God on the basis of a philosophical argument to religious faith. Even so, a podcast has now come my way, part of Jeremy Fogel’s series “The Metaphysical Circus”, in which Noam Oren critiques the relationship between my philosophical approach and religious faith. It is a kind of continuation of the pair of podcast episodes recorded with me in the previous season in this series (God I and God II), where I discussed proofs for the existence of God. He critiques them from the vantage point of the philosophy of religious language. I will note that there are two further episodes with me in this series in the current season as well (Physics and God 1 and Physics and God 2), episodes in which I hold a discussion on physics and God with the physicist Prof. Elam Gross (see also Column 506).
In Noam’s podcast several claims typical of scholars of the philosophy of religion come up, and I think they contain characteristic fallacies common among people in the philosophical discipline in general and this sub-discipline in particular. Noam also posted a Facebook post that includes a brief description and a link to the podcast, and the mostly sympathetic responses that follow that post—among them comments by intelligent people whom I highly esteem—repeat the same fallacies and misunderstandings over and over. This strengthened my sense that I should devote yet another column to this much-beaten topic.
My Basic Thesis: What Is Faith?
To sharpen the discussion, I will briefly summarize my positions as I have expressed them many times in the aforementioned book and also here on the site. A religious feeling in and of itself cannot be considered religiosity. There are thoroughgoing atheists who feel a religious (religiose) emotion (for example, from contemplation of the world, of science, of art, and the like) yet do not believe in God and of course do not worship Him. Moreover, religious feeling as such, even in a religious person, has no religious value. It is a mental state, a product of one’s psyche, and not a conclusion or the result of choice or decision. One can, of course, define the term “religiosity” differently, but that is merely semantics. In its essential sense, religiosity, in my view, is a decision regarding commitment to the worship of God and to His commandments. That’s all. Whether a person also has religious experiences or not does not essentially matter. It has no moral or religious significance.
Conversely, if a person worships God and is committed to His commandments but does not truly believe in Him (that is, does not think He exists in the factual sense), that too has no religious value. He is not a believer and therefore cannot be considered religious by my definitions. The example is Ahad Ha’am, who advocated observing the halakhah out of connection to our national culture and to previous generations. He saw in this a highly valuable tool for survival (his well-known saying: more than Israel kept the Sabbath, the Sabbath kept Israel). I have often explained that such observance has no religious value, since it does not constitute worship of God and commitment to His commandments as such. It is more accurate to call this culture rather than religion, and the practical similarity that exists between them in such a case is insignificant.
Faith in God means holding the factual position that God exists (regardless of the reasons). A sense of presence by itself is not faith. Experience and emotion likewise do not necessarily attest to faith. However, if any one of these is taken by someone as an indication that God indeed exists—that is, he concludes that if he has a religious feeling, then apparently God exists—then he can be regarded as a believer. The reason is that, as a matter of fact, he thinks God exists. I can agree or disagree with his reasons (and in this case I definitely disagree, since in my view emotion indicates nothing beyond the psychological makeup of the person in whom the emotion dwells), but I cannot disagree that he is a believer.
My Basic Thesis: The Proofs and Their Meaning
In my book I dwelt at great length on the gap between philosophical belief (deism) and belief in its religious sense (theism). I explained there that the proofs for the existence of God lead us to an intellectual faith in a philosophical God, but religious faith is something different. A person can be a believer in God in the philosophical sense (arriving intellectually at the conclusion that there exists such a being) yet not feel obliged to worship Him (and not even believe there was ever a moment of revelation and command), nor feel any religious emotion. Such a person is a deist but not a theist. Conversely, a person who worships God, that is, is committed to ritual and commandments (he is a theist), whether or not he also has a religious experience and feeling, is a religious person even if his faith and commitment are not necessarily based on philosophical arguments. One can arrive at faith on the basis of a primal intuition, and there is nothing wrong with that. One must remember that a philosophical argument is also based on certain premises, and these usually rest on primal intuitions. If so, for a person of “simple faith,” the argument that leads him to God is the trivial argument: faith in God itself is one of his premises.
I explained there that those who see the gap between deism and theism as unbridgeable are mistaken. On the contrary, arguments that philosophically prove the existence of a transcendent being of any sort bring us closer to religious faith (to theism). Why? Because if I know that there exists a transcendent entity in some philosophical sense, the claim that He revealed Himself and commanded us to do various things is now far less implausible. At this point one should no longer dismiss it out of hand but treat it seriously and examine it on its own merits (it is no longer a “celestial teapot,” in Russell’s terminology). Thus, although deism and theism are not identical, deism is a necessary (even if not sufficient) condition for theism. Moreover, in my book I showed that deism can lead us further to theism, even if not by a fully strict logical entailment. In this sense deism is also a sufficient—though not in the strong logical sense—condition for theism. Recall what I explained above: there can be no obligation to God without belief in His existence, that is, without holding the factual position that such an entity exists. If so, deism is a necessary and almost sufficient condition for theism.
In the fifth dialogue of that book I explained the route that leads from deism to theism (why deism is almost a sufficient condition and not merely a necessary one), and I will not enter into its details here because that is not our topic. For our purposes here we need only the claim about the connection between these two forms of belief.
Noam Oren’s Claims
In his remarks one can discern two shades of a claim against this picture: 1) Believers generally do not base themselves on philosophical arguments. If you ask a believer why he believes or why he is committed to the commandments, you will not receive philosophical arguments. He usually never thought about them and does not know them. Therefore one cannot claim that faith is based on philosophical arguments. This is essentially the gap between deism and theism. 2) Jeremy Fogel noted that I myself insist on this gap and explain that there is a connection between the planes. In response, Noam claims that my move from a philosophical God (deism) to a religious God (theism) does not convince him.
The Second Claim
I will start with the second claim, which arose only in passing and is not essential to my discussion here. From the picture Noam sketches, something very odd emerges. He believes in God in the philosophical sense and accepts my arguments for His existence. He also observes the commandments and is committed to them. And yet he insists that the connection between the two is unconvincing and therefore claims that his religious God describes subjective experiences and relations, not factual claims (see more below). As noted, this is, on its face, very strange. You can say that you are a deist and therefore do not observe commandments. But to say that you believe in God (as a deist) and are also committed to His commandments, but that this is not the same God—that is a bizarre claim that requires justification. Of course it is possible, but the burden of proof is on you. If you believe in the religious God and are committed to His commandments, why not identify Him with the philosophical God? Are there two Gods?
Noam, however, argues that he does not believe in a religious God in any factual sense, but then it is unclear why you worship Him. Does this not indicate an implicit belief in a religious God as well? Let us not forget that he also agrees that there is a philosophical God. So why not take the further step? Again, if my move does not seem convincing to him, that is legitimate (even if, in my view, mistaken), but then the conclusion should be that there is no religious obligation. But to adopt that very obligation that arises from those arguments, only for other reasons and with different meanings, is very odd. Moreover, as I will show below, the reasons for such adoption are highly suspect.
He offers explanations that seem to address this critique, and he explains there that this is what makes him feel comfortable in the world, or that this is his subjective worldview, and the like (see details below). But these explanations limp far more than my obvious explanation. Does the redemption of a firstborn donkey make you particularly comfortable? Does it flow from your subjective worldview? The same goes for refraining from eating pork, ritual impurity and purity, and more. In what sense is this part of your worldview? If, in the simple factual sense, there is no God who commanded this, I cannot understand those who invest an ounce of energy in all this. The only explanation I can think of is Ahad Ha’am-style traditionalism: a connection with prior generations, national folklore, and so on—but as I explained above, that is not religiosity. It is culture. Such a person does not worship God but engages in practices that have therapeutic or other value for him. He resembles someone who takes a pill, watches a film or an exhibit, or practices meditation. This is not religiosity in any essential sense that I can discern. It is a person whose psychology requires some odd set of practices in order to feel comfortable or to experience the world. That is a claim about him and his psychology, but certainly not about his values and conceptions. As noted, one can define even this as religiosity, but essentially I cannot see any religious value in it. He is simply like that, and that’s it. Incidentally, precisely for this reason I do not believe him. His commitment indicates that he does believe in the sense I mean. Because of a philosophical error (to be seen below) he fails to ground that belief, and so it is convenient for him to retreat to subjective realms and speak of a different religious language.
So much for my response to the second claim. Let us return to the first.
The First Claim
The first claim is very widespread, and I wish to focus on it. Jeremy Fogel mentioned the well-known story about Hermann Cohen, a believing Jew and neo-Kantian philosopher, who met a simple Jew in the street and expounded to him his complex philosophical doctrine regarding God. The Jew listened attentively, and when Cohen finished he asked gently and hesitantly, but with wonder: but what does this have to do with the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (the religious God)?! He saw no connection between Hermann Cohen’s sophisticated God, who dwells entirely in philosophical realms, and the God to whom he prays, acknowledges in all his ways, and worships all his life. To sharpen: this claim is directed at me, not at Noam. It says that although I reached the philosophical conclusion that God exists through sophisticated arguments, what has that to do with the religious God that religious people worship? This is another formulation of Noam’s charge against me.
But there is a very fundamental error here. Hermann Cohen presented a philosophical picture of the God in whom he believes. He described and characterized Him in a certain philosophical way. I, however, do not enter into His descriptions at all. I present arguments that prove His existence, and that is a completely different matter. Indeed, one can worship God without knowing all the philosophical niceties and subtleties of His descriptions. But if I believe in God, it is certainly reasonable to demand reasons why I believe in Him. Therefore one cannot sever belief in God (which, as stated, is a factual claim) from the arguments that prove it. True, these arguments are not sufficient, since they bring me only to deism, but that is a necessary step on the way to theism. After continuing along the path and reaching theistic conclusions, the deistic God whose existence I proved is the God I will worship.
Here we reach the critical point of this entire discussion. Noam is still right when he says that the simple person does not actually rely on this. To understand why that is irrelevant, think of a brilliant scientist who researches some scientific field—physics, biology, or even the so-called “gender studies,” long may they reign. Is that scientist aware of all the difficulties and the philosophical conceptions engaged by philosophers of science? Certainly not. I know the scientific world and those who operate in it well, and heaven is my witness that almost none of them knows what the philosophy of science is even about, not even the most basic principles of it.[1] He is certainly not aware of the assumptions he makes and the philosophical questions regarding their validity. Now a philosopher of science comes along, raises difficulties, and offers explanations that ground scientific methodology and its findings. Can one claim against him that he is speaking nonsense because scientists do not think about these difficulties and arguments at all? That is a gross misunderstanding. The philosopher of science explains the intellectual basis of the scientist’s activity—even if the scientist himself is unaware of it. It is very plausible that he implicitly assumes it and acts accordingly. That scientist has intuitions that guide him, and therefore he does not bother to articulate them explicitly for himself. Still, the philosophy of science correctly describes the scientist’s conceptions, even though he never gave them any thought. The very distinction between science and the philosophy of science assumes this identity. Otherwise, the philosopher of science would not be dealing with science but with what science ought to be. If we assume that the philosopher of science explains science and that the scientist also engages in scientific research, then at the base lies the assumption that the philosopher explains what the scientist does and what he assumes and thinks, even if only implicitly.
So too regarding the believer. Most believers do not give thought to the difficulties of their faith, and certainly not to the assumptions and arguments on which it is based. Does that mean that the philosopher of faith—the one who conceptualizes and formulates the arguments that constitute its basis—does not explain faith (but only what he thinks it ought to be)? Clearly not. He merely conceptualizes and formulates the arguments and assumptions that the believer holds at an intuitive, unarticulated level. But this explains what lies at the foundation of the believer’s faith, even if he is unaware of it. Awareness of the assumptions and justifications for what we do requires a sophistication that most people do not possess. But that does not mean they act incorrectly, nor that the one who explains them and their assumptions is mistaken. He conceptualizes what lies in them at a non-articulated intuitive level.[2]
It seems to me that if you ask a believer why he believes, many will tell you that contemplating the complex world we live in tells them it is unlikely that this came to be by chance, and therefore there must be One who created it. They are unaware of the difficulties and refutations of the physico-theological argument, and of the gap between philosophical deism and theism and religious obligation. For them it is quite clear that if there is a complex world, there is a God; and if there is a God, then there was also the event of Sinai and there is an obligation to observe His commandments. Many people do not notice that the philosophical discussion is not sufficient to decide the religious discussion. They are simply not sophisticated enough. Now I come and formulate a more precise philosophical argument (which, as noted, Noam himself found convincing), in which I show how the conclusion that God exists indeed follows from the world’s complexity. I present various difficulties and refutations of the argument and respond to them. I also try to bridge the gap between philosophical deism and religious obligation. All this, of course, is not done by the overwhelming majority of believers. Does that mean I am mistaken in saying that my picture explains religious faith—even the faith of simple believers? Noam says yes, but he is wrong. Just as the philosopher of science explains what science is and what scientific inquiry is, the philosopher of faith explains what faith is and what religious practice and obligation are. That some person did not conceptualize this for himself and was unaware of the difficulties and arguments only means that he is not sufficiently sophisticated or not sufficiently interested in such justifications. He operates intuitively, just like the scientist. Still, it remains true that these are his justifications. Without them, he is simply acting irrationally—and that is, of course, a less plausible thesis (see the “principle of charity”).
Noam often says he is merely describing the faith of the ordinary, reasonable person, and not entering the question of what a believer ought to do and think. But if you ask a believer whether, in his view, God exists or whether it is merely his subjective experience, you will generally receive the answer that in his view God exists. For him, it is a factual claim. He may not know how to justify it, and if you press him further—why does he believe if he lacks good arguments to ground it—and perhaps in the end he will be pushed into a corner and say it is a subjective experience. But precisely that statement stems from a lack of philosophical skill. If he were skilled, he would know to say that he has such an intuition, and that an intuition is sufficient as an argument. Alternatively, he would answer that he has a feeling and, in his view, the very existence of the feeling attests that God Himself exists. If he were even more sophisticated, he would formulate for you a more detailed argument that would justify his faith (and write The First Being himself).
Clearly, a believer is not playing subjective games as Noam and his colleagues in the discipline try to persuade him. He believes that God exists, and for him that is a factual claim. We now have two ways to interpret this: a) He is simply confused, and what he really means is merely that he has such a subjective conception of the world and finds it comfortable to live with it. b) He is not philosophically skilled or not interested in explicitly formulating the justifications for his faith, but there are such justifications. If I wish to describe the believer’s experience—and this is Noam’s starting point in his remarks (see below)—then it seems to me the second interpretation is the obvious one, and the first simply puts words in his mouth.
The conclusion is that it is Noam who fails to describe correctly the faith of the ordinary believer. He accuses me of that in which he himself is at fault. I merely explicitly formulate the believer-in-the-street’s implicit assumptions, but that is precisely the God in whom he believes.
Between Philosophy and Sociology
Now, for the sake of the argument, I will again assume that the reasonable person indeed believes only in the subjective sense (an assumption that is patently false). Even if I adopt that assumption, I still disagree with him. Noam’s starting point is that faith is what resides within the believing person. That is, in coming to define religious faith, he essentially examines people and what lies in their hearts, and not the inner logic of faith. That, of course, is the work of a sociologist, not a philosopher. A philosopher is supposed to define faith at the conceptual level, and only then decide which people are believers and which are not. People’s reports about their own positions are a starting point for a sociological discussion, not a philosophical one. As a philosopher, I am supposed to act in the opposite direction: to develop a conception of what faith is, and then to judge those reports and see whether people understand themselves and the concepts correctly, and to decide whether they truly are believers. The definition of concepts and the truth of claims cannot receive their force because that is what people say or think.
This is a well-known analytic malady, since an analytic philosopher relies primarily on conceptual analysis, but the concepts themselves and the assumptions about their definitions have nowhere to be drawn from except from the people who use them. Hence, in many cases, analytic philosophers are not philosophers but sociologists. They do not define what faith is but who is the person who says of himself that he believes. Sometimes it is right to act thus, but in our case—and many like it—this leads to serious errors. I am a great fan of analytic philosophy and recognize its value, but I strongly oppose the analytic stance, namely the position that sees analytic analysis as the be-all and end-all. In our case, Noam’s analysis of people’s faith is erroneous, and from there he proceeds to err regarding the definition of faith altogether. If he had examined it in itself and not through sociology, he would easily have noticed this. If from your (mistaken) analysis of what people believe you reach the conclusion that faith is not a factual claim, that in itself should hint to you that you have gone wrong. They themselves will tell you that it is a fact—even if they lack sufficient justifications for it. In other words, religious faith is not a branch of our psychology or sociology but of philosophy.
So from where should we draw the meaning and definition of concepts? In my series of columns on philosophy (155 – 160) I showed that it is a kind of empirical science. Contemplation with the mind’s eye (of concepts that, by my assumption, have some Platonic existence) yields the understanding and definition of the concept. That is what we should do with respect to faith as well: not ask people, but intellectually clarify the idea of faith. Contemplation of it and of our relation to it tells us that it is a factual claim. This belongs to philosophy and not to sociology (though there are, of course, sociological aspects—but that is not the root of the matter, unless you are an atheist and in your view it has no rational or factual root).
All the talk about the different, non-factual meaning of religious language—usually anchored in Wittgenstein and his heirs (including Avi Sagi and Moshe Halbertal, for example)—is sheer nonsense, in my view. It suffers from the analytic fallacy that what cannot be justified empirically or logically is not true and of course does not exist—at least not in the ordinary sense of “true” and “exists.” Then one naturally moves on to talk about “language games” and other absurdities, which are really the escape hatch of academics when faced with what looks to them like a broken trough. If one cannot philosophically justify a religious God and/or religious obligation, then one must interpret and understand religious language differently. When we speak of the “existence” of God, the meaning is “experience,” and every religious factual claim must be interpreted in mythical or allegorical terms, and everything collapses into subjective psychology. I can dedicate my life to this nonsense, and at the same time believe that there is nothing in it beyond a kind of meditation (and in my estimation it lacks any meditative value as well). These are noodles you sell yourself because of a lack of skill or intellectual laziness. If you kept thinking, you could find a real justification, and if you do not find it you should be honest and give up and admit that you erred in your belief and religious commitment. But all this is inconvenient for you, so you invent baseless (albeit consistent) intellectual contrivances to give your soul some repose—continuing to utter the same sentences while assigning them a different meaning.
Take, for example, the question of providence (God’s active involvement in the world). I think a thinking person will usually reach the conclusion that he does not believe in it. Factually, it seems that it does not really occur. Let us assume for the sake of the discussion that this is the conclusion (this is not the place to debate it). What now? There are three ways to address this difficulty:
- Simple believers will tell you that God is involved but hides Himself. They will ignore or sidestep the difficulties with a declaration (“effort,” “faith above reason,” and the like) or a quote or two, and that suffices for them.
- Analytic academics, like Noam and his colleagues, will explain that they believe in providence, but that this “belief” is a language game. It is not belief in any factual sense. They pray to God and ask Him for healing even though they do not believe that it will, in fact, come as a result (Noam says this explicitly in the podcast). Why? Just because. Not rational? So what?! Games need not be rational.
- I, by contrast, think that if it is not true, then I do not believe it. For me the term “believe” has its ordinary factual meaning, without language games or other games.
If you truly ask believing people about their sense of things, as Noam and his colleagues purport to do, you will find that all this is vanity and striving after wind. Fictional-psychological faith and language games are an intellectuals’ pastime, but they are in no way close to the faith of ordinary believers (those who are not academics). As someone once said: only intellectuals can utter such great nonsense. The believer in the street believes in the existence of God as a factual claim. He believes in providence as a fact (mistakenly, in my view), not as a language game. He believes in the revelation at Sinai as a historical event (without it there is no justification for commitment to this entire bizarre system; no language game can justify such foolishness). But our intellectuals explain to the person what he really thinks: that he is merely playing games and does not believe in the factual sense. And then they return and explain to me that sociology—empirical examination of what people believe—leads to the conclusion that it is a language game. They project their own flaw, see their reflection in the mirror, and derive conclusions from it. This, as noted, when the facts say precisely the opposite. To present this detached thesis as a critique of my “detached” arguments and philosophy is one of the most detached things I have seen.
Understand that, for a philosopher with an analytic stance (as opposed to a mere analytic philosopher), any consistent set of claims is a legitimate worldview. He maintains that we have no way to judge such pictures or decide regarding their truth (when there is no empirical access or logical contradiction). Thus philosophers of that kind arrive at bizarre religious conceptions, in which a person worships himself without believing that there is any object of his faith and worship. He prays even though he knows it does not help, and he performs all the religious practices without their having any meaning for him—save, perhaps, a therapeutic meaning (and, factually, there is not even a command that commanded them). You will not find a contradiction to this, apart from its utter irrationality. But reason plays no role in the analytic world; consistency is the name of the game. Rabbi Shagar’s “circle of differences” is so beloved to them, since if everyone does as he chooses to play, there is no way to critique it and demand justifications. Thus we can hold any position we wish, and we are exempt from giving an account to ourselves and others for all its difficulties and oddities. No one can ask what the logic is in some rule of a game like chess or Go. That is how it is defined, and that is that. So too with the religious language game. I have noted more than once that postmodernism and New Age are the result of an analytic stance. I will emphasize again: the use of analytic tools is important and welcome, but seeing analyticity as the be-all and end-all leads to rather bizarre places.
In his remarks, Noam brings several specific arguments, and in the last part of this column I wish to address them as well.
- Defining God
Noam opens by saying that the philosophical arguments lead us to the existence of some transcendent entity (in the book I explained that each argument proves the existence of a differently defined entity), but that all these do not tell us much and therefore the discussion of them is unimportant. For example, the ontological argument proves the existence of the perfect being. Let us assume we have proven its existence. So what?! What does that say? Or if we have proven the existence of the creator or designer of the world (the cosmological and physico-theological arguments), why is that interesting or important at all? That is not the relevant topic.
If you listen closely you can discern that this wonder is interpreted there in two different ways: 1) So long as we have not defined well the being whose existence was proven, this conclusion is not very meaningful. Why does the claim that there exists some undefined being tell us anything or solve any problem? We can sharpen this: using an undefined concept is like an English-English dictionary (that explains one non-understood word by means of ten other non-understood words). It is of no use at all and is doubtful whether it is even claiming anything. 2) Such a transparent, thin God is a detached philosophical God. What has He to do with the religious God (theism)? With Noam the intent was apparently to (2) and with Jeremy to (1).
I have answered claim (1) in detail elsewhere. See, for example, the discussion moderated by Jeremy Fogel at Alma (see Column 456 and the link to the discussion there; this point arose even more sharply in the recorded discussion), and this emerges even more explicitly in the two podcasts with Elam Gross mentioned above. The conclusion that there exists a being who created the world is a valid and true conclusion regardless of what I can say about that being. If it is not plausible that a complex world arose by chance, the conclusion is that there was something that created it. This is true even if I cannot say a thing about that something. In the first podcast with Elam Gross I offered the following example: if I see footprints in the sand, I conclude that someone passed here. That is a correct conclusion even if I can say almost nothing about him (save that he leaves footprints behind). Incidentally, at the end of my book, The First Being, after all the arguments and proofs, we do indeed arrive at quite a bit of information about Him. But as noted, that is not really necessary for the argument itself.
One may still ask why this is important or interesting. That is claim (1), but I already answered it above in detail. Proving the existence of a deistic God is a significant step on the way to theism. In a certain sense, after the philosophical conclusion that there exists some abstract being, theism, grounded in revelation, paints Him in more concrete colors. Now we can also say all kinds of things about Him.
- The Changing Face of God
Next, Noam argues that in any other position we hold (like a scientific theory), if it is proven false, we abandon it. But regarding belief in God, that is not the case. God constantly changes His face. Whenever we encounter a difficulty or acquire a new way of thinking or a new insight, the God we speak of changes. People do not give up faith in light of difficulties but define it ad hoc anew so that it remains valid and relevant despite the difficulties. This, in Noam’s view, shows that belief in God does not function in our language like belief in a scientific theory.
But here too he is mistaken, and on several planes. The fact that the object of our faith receives different descriptions only says that we are advancing and refining our description of Him all the time. Refinement in light of difficulties is entirely consistent with what happens in science. Take, for example, the law of conservation of energy. Every time we discover that it does not hold, we define yet another kind of energy to balance the equation. Thus, when kinetic energy changes, we merely say it was converted to potential energy, and vice versa. Thus, conservation of energy refers only to the sum of the two energies. But even those two are not conserved, and then we add to the balance heat energy, spring potential energy, and more and more. Is the conclusion that the law of conservation of energy does not say something about the world but only about us? It changes with the growth of our scientific knowledge and skill. In this respect, faith in God functions exactly like our belief in the laws of nature.
Add to this the understanding that if there is something about which we are very convinced, then when we encounter difficulties that challenge it, naturally we will be ready to add different epicycles ad hoc just to leave it in place. Incidentally, this is also the reason for the changes I described in the conservation of energy and in other laws of nature. Thomas Kuhn already noted the naivete of the Popperian view that when there is a difficulty in an existing scientific theory we immediately discard it and replace it with another. It takes a very large quantity of difficulties before we replace a successful theory (I pointed this out in my article on Occam’s razor and more). Everything is a function of the level of trust we have in the matter. Therefore, the fact that the definition of God changes and is updated over time indicates that our level of trust in Him is very high, and thus we are unwilling to give it up even when there are difficulties. We prefer to update our definitions and conceptions regarding Him. Incidentally, when the quantity of difficulties truly crosses the critical threshold (a crisis that requires a paradigm shift, in Kuhn’s terms), there are quite a few people who abandon religious faith—exactly as happens with regard to any other position. The amount of difficulty required for such a step depends on the level of trust we have in our religious faith, just as in every other domain.
If so, the linguistic thesis—that faith in God does not function in our language in the same sense as knowledge of facts in ordinary contexts—is simply untrue. In any case, there is certainly no way to infer it from the mutability of the concept of God when faced with difficulties. On the contrary, in light of what I have described above, this process can also indicate that our faith in Him is very strong—stronger than beliefs about other facts. One can, of course, simply argue that faith is not a factual claim, but to regard the existence of mutability as evidence of that is simply an error.
I will add in passing that the description Noam brings—as if this were a “death by a thousand corrections,” usually attributed to believers (since every difficulty brings a correction to the concept of God until in the end nothing remains of Him)—is more accurately applied to the stance of linguistic theorists like Noam himself. Because of the difficulties, they continue to “believe” in God, but for them He is only an empty linguistic-experiential concept devoid of any factual content. You will not find a greater vacuum or death by corrections than this. By contrast, the process of refining faith (in its ordinary factual sense) is precisely the opposite: it refines the concept because it refuses to empty it of content. As our conceptions improve and become more sophisticated, our view of abstract concepts and entities becomes more complex and precise. This is true in science and also with respect to faith.
- Miracle as an Example
Noam offers an example: a friend told him that he believes in miracles, because for him every event that happens to him is a miracle. Sunrise or sunset is a kind of gift and therefore, for him, it is a miracle. A friend’s smile is a miracle. So too waking up in the morning, or any other moving event. Note: he does not mean Nahmanides at the end of Parashat Bo (see, for example, Column 279), who argues that all these events are indeed miracles because there are no laws of nature in the world, but the thesis that “miracle” is not a claim about the world but about my relation to the world. For me, it is a miracle. This is an example of a different linguistic use of the term “believe in _” or “think there is.” When I say “I think there are miracles,” it is not like the statement “I think there are thirty people in this building.” The first describes only a mental state and experience—my relation to some fact—whereas the second describes a fact (admittedly unverified, but clearly a claim about the world). His claim is that faith is a similar kind of claim to the one about miracle. Faith in God does not describe something in the world but reports a mental state—my relation to the world. To say that God was involved in something is like saying that, for me, the sunrise is a miracle. These are claims about me and not about the world or about God (see a similar fallacy and a similar distinction in C. S. Lewis, in Column 371 and elsewhere).
He explains that the desire to say that the world is not random and not arbitrary is the meaning of faith. This is a claim about me and my longings, not about the world. But the essential question is whether, factually, the world is random or not. Your experiences are a matter for psychology, not philosophy. A person who experiences the world as guided and non-random is a dyed-in-the-wool atheist—only his terminology is religious. Only someone who thinks that the world itself is not random but guided is a religious person.
This is an example of emptying by corrections performed by the linguistic approach of Wittgenstein and his heirs. In truth, such a person believes in nothing, but he uses the term “to believe” in a figurative sense. That, in itself, is legitimate, but he must admit that in practice he is not truly a believer. He has religious experiences or “belief in miracles” in the experiential sense. What has that to do with faith? It is only a mental state that stems primarily from his psychological makeup and says nothing about the world. As noted, one can call this “faith,” but to claim that this is the meaning of religious faith is nothing but saying: I am an atheist, and in my opinion you believers are as well. You are merely atheists in disguise using confusing jargon. This is a psychological projection that the philosopher performs from himself to all believers.
- The Argument from Evil
Later Noam explains that the argument from evil (if there is evil in the world, then there is no God) is very relevant even in the picture of the world that he holds. In his picture, it is, in fact, most relevant, since logical refutations of God’s existence do not interest him as he is not making a factual claim. If faith is merely the way it is comfortable for me to see the world, and when I say that there is a God I actually mean that the world is governed and not arbitrary, then the argument from evil indeed disturbs this pastoral picture. But that is again the same fallacy. Clearly, evil disturbs me psychologically. But what has that to do with the question whether God exists or not in the factual sense? Abandoning God’s existence is done only because it disturbs me, not because I reached the conclusion that there is no God. If so, faith and disbelief are nothing but subjective psychology—that is, faith is atheism in disguise.
I cannot avoid a revealing personal confession here. For me, the entire religious and halakhic system disturbs me—no less than evil does. It is an unintelligible, irrational system, and I see no reason to be committed to it and no benefit that will accrue to me from that commitment. For me it is not even an opium for the masses. Noam suggests seeing religion as an opium for the masses, himself included. But this is an opium that does not even give me a high. What is this if not atheism disguised in religious terms?!
A Note on Traditionalism
One cannot avoid here a brief reference to the phenomenon of traditionalism. One can distinguish several shades of traditionalism. There are traditionalists who in fact believe in God and are fully committed, but it is difficult for them or they are not inclined to observe everything. There are traditionalists who believe in God but do not think that the entire halakhah is binding (perhaps because it—or part of it—is a human creation). There are also traditionalists who do not believe in God but are connected to religious folklore to one degree or another (cf. Ahad Ha’am). The last two types can indeed fit Noam’s description. These are people for whom the system suits them and who seek a connection to prior generations and to the people, even if they do not believe that the Holy One, blessed be He, indeed commanded (and perhaps does not provide providence, and so on). Such a person can act in accordance with halakhah, at least in some situations (of his choosing), without believing in God or in the command. If such a person tells me that he “believes” only in the subjective sense described here, I have no problem. That is even true regarding some traditionalists. But I would not call him a committed person (it is better not to use the term “believer,” since he may believe in some God, at least in the philosophical sense), and I certainly would not attribute such an approach to the ordinary religious person. Indeed, that is precisely the difference between certain types of traditionalists and the fully, commonly understood religious person.
Conclusion: Atheism in Disguise
According to Noam, the difference between a believer and an atheist is not related to facts but to one’s psychological makeup and to what is more or less comfortable for me. An optimistic temperament is faith (in miracles or in God), and a pessimistic temperament is atheism. But that is a difference of personality, and therefore, by his account, religious faith should be a matter for psychology (and perhaps sociology) but certainly not for philosophy. To make philosophical claims on the basis of what is comfortable or not comfortable for me is a pragmatist fallacy. The “ought” does not determine the “is” (alas). And if you are not making philosophical claims but remain in the realm of psychology—what has that to do with philosophy?!
There is no reason to invest energy and effort in this, or to invest in an intellectual analysis of these phenomena. Take a pill and change your feelings, and everything will sort itself out more comfortably and satisfactorily. In any case, none of this is related to a world of values—of good and evil—or of true and false. So what are all the quarrels and wars about? Are all the religious wars and polemics conducted only because of confusion in discourse? Is it simply a matter of different temperaments? Does that sound serious to you? Are you really trying to claim that people do not truly believe but are ready to kill and be killed for this fiction? It may sound sophisticated, but it is, in fact, a bizarre claim (cf. “intellectuals”). Note that here I do not accept his sociology either (that is, the description of what people in the field believe), and not only his philosophy (whether faith is subjective).
Near the end of the podcast, Noam says that he is not an atheist in disguise, but he does not explain why. He presents an atheistic picture disguised as religious discourse, and then says that he is not an atheist in disguise. If this is not atheism in disguise, I do not know what is. If a person reads a novel or repairs a shoe and explains that he is engaged in mathematics, that calls for hospitalization, not philosophical analysis. A linguistic explanation—that he is using the term “engaged” in a different sense—may perhaps be correct, but it is highly doubtful. Usually we do not accept it. Similarly, a person who thinks himself to be Napoleon—the linguistic approach would tell us he has no psychological problem, since he uses the term “I think myself” in a different sense (“it pleases me to be Napoleon,” and so on). Do you think such a person does not require treatment?! I wonder whether he is sane in disguise or insane without disguise.
To say that I believe the world is non-arbitrary merely because that is how I experience it is essentially to say that the world is indeed arbitrary (Kafka-esque) but I choose not to treat it as such. That is Kafka in disguise. I see no difference between this and the linguistic approach to the phenomena of faith.
[1] See Column 60 and elsewhere for the story about criminology studies.
[2] See Column 440 and elsewhere for the dispute between Seridei Esh and Rabbi Yehoshua Hutner regarding the commentators on Maimonides.
Discussion
Or, in the words of Rabbi Ido Fechter (in one of the comments on Noam Oren’s article): “The best proof for the existence of God is that I believe in Him.”
Do you think Leibowitz also held this view?
According to your approach, are such people defined as believers in God in the halakhic sense of the term? (A practical difference: can they join a minyan / can one fulfill one’s obligation through them?)
Only because I don’t believe them. They are simply confused and not conceptually and philosophically precise. If they really hold the strange position they express, then they are atheists and of course do not count toward a minyan.
I enjoyed every word of the column, the analysis of the approaches and so on.
But in my humble opinion, there may be a missed point here regarding what they are trying to describe—not necessarily exactly as I’m putting it, but the general feeling that I think the public has—and they aren’t really succeeding.
You have already touched in the past on the point that the existence of the Holy One, blessed be He, obligates us to the commandments and so on. These are an intellectual and intuitive decision from among different options, and one cannot logically maintain the position that this is a fact like the sun rising in the morning, because today there is no prophecy, for example, or because in these areas there is no absolute certainty.
Even someone who happens to be your student, Moshe Roth, holds a similar position, but it leads him among other things toward tendencies of existential faith—to relying also on feelings, experiences, reports of things like near-death experiences, or descriptions of feeling paradise already in this world, and so on. Without getting into the particulars of the person, but only describing different approaches: there is something that the people of existential experience convey, and in my opinion it is correct. Namely, that the stage of evidence, or the probabilistic arguments for the existence of the Holy One, blessed be He, and for keeping His commandments, is relevant only to a very specific and quite limited type of person—those who desire truth as much as possible, whose character traits are refined, and whose soul is fit for these things. Whereas from the rest of people, even the Holy One Himself probably—as based on the religious traditions themselves—attributes intention, or more precisely, basically demands at an initial stage a kind of simple faith. A faith such that, first and foremost, will be ready from a basic initial mental stance to take upon itself the value of subjugation to Him and accepting the yoke of the kingdom of heaven. Because if this initial trait is absent from the soul, and the person, as an initial starting point, holds the approach that he determines his own values, and is not humble, and is unwilling to do anything intended to challenge his principles—or more precisely, his primary desires: aesthetic, ethical, emotional—then necessarily any proof you bring him, and precisely because of the hiding of the divine face that exists, he will pull out five proofs against it, and his very intellect will reject, even cognitively, the possibility of religious obligation, on the grounds that: “This isn’t certain at all.” “Logically speaking, why should I waste an entire life on something that isn’t clear as day, when I have so many other things I could do?”
Rabbi Sherki, who is very, very rationalistic, believes that faith is an experience created by a sense of certainty in God’s existence (which in his opinion comes in the wake of the Kuzari argument), and stresses that emotional faith that does not stem first and foremost from the conclusion of the truth of the tradition has little value. (And similarly to you, he also emphasizes that not everyone must master deep intellectual proofs or investigate extensively; some sufficient grounding that convinces the person is enough.) He also claims, on the one hand, that one must work on many different character traits—humility, generosity of spirit, or an initial mental preparation for the very possibility of the truth of a tradition of revelation.
And I think that in our tradition too there are hints that one needs initial character traits that precede faith in order for faith to become possible. I once read Yisrael Kedoshim by Rabbi Tzadok, on the Torah portion Balak. I’m not very connected to the Hasidic genre; from my brief acquaintance with you I think you don’t like these things all that much. But he discusses there the question of how it could be that Balaam, who supposedly knew the will of the Holy One, blessed be He, was a prophet, knew that it was forbidden to curse Israel, or to cause them to sin through the prohibition of harlotry and sexual immorality—how did he do so anyway? And the conclusion he draws is that a corrupt person, disconnected from the Holy One, blessed be He, and wanting to be master of himself, will not subordinate himself to the Holy One, blessed be He, even if he exerts himself greatly in religious worship, because his initial stance is not a desire to accept the kingdom of heaven, but rather to do what is good for him.
And truly, when I read things like this, I am fairly convinced that most people—and I include myself among them—are built in such a way that the initial emotional feeling is what determines what we later decide to believe or not believe, because there are things the intellect will automatically reject due to aesthetic preferences, ethical conceptions, psychological tendencies, and so on. And in my opinion, this is the direction Leibowitz tended toward when he constantly stressed how much commandments are a value and not any factual statement whatsoever.
For if the proposition that the Holy One, blessed be He, exists is accepted, the soul can flow in all sorts of directions.
Rational, Relatively,
I don’t understand your claim. Suppose you are right and there are pre-rational conditions for believing in God or in the tradition that derives from Him. Suppose that without them there is no faith. So what? In what sense are they “faith” at all? What object do these mental tendencies even have? One can stretch your claim to absurdity and say that without lungs we cannot breathe and therefore cannot live either, and someone who is not alive cannot believe either…
Fits perfectly with panentheism.
We are God = we believe = we find something that exists within us (of course it exists potentially even if we don’t believe).
There may also be an external God, but it isn’t relevant to talk about Him, just as it isn’t relevant to talk to a dog or cat about computational physics.
That various traits are a good substrate for searching for truth is of course correct. But why is that relevant to the discussion? The question I was addressing is whether there is anything beyond truth that can justify belief.
“We are God = we believe = we find something that exists within us”
1. What is the meaning of the first equation (God = us)? Are you God? Am I? Did you or I create the world? Make its existence and laws possible? If so, I have not yet been informed of this…
I’m not even sure that what you’re presenting really is panentheism, but even if it is (or one form of it), how does it explain the distinctness that nevertheless exists between us and God? And after all, if God is indeed distinct from us—well, at least from me, maybe not from you—I don’t see any problem in claiming that. This is the same God who made everything possible, us included.
Why do all these guys (Prof. Halbertal, the “Gush-ists,” etc.) hang everything on Wittgenstein? Did Wittgenstein really talk such nonsense?
Leibowitz, on the one hand, attacked those who saw religion and commandments as a need rather than a value (which is why he opposed the Reform, etc.), and on the other hand his most prominent students claim that he would refuse to answer the question whether God exists. How does that fit together? On what basis did he observe the commandments?
Hello Doron.
The position I formulated also seemed absurd to me myself for years. After all, the question whether there is a God can in itself be similar to any other logical question, and seemingly mental dispositions shouldn’t affect it.
But because the concept God—or more precisely, God who reveals Himself and commands, who gives the absolute value of accepting the yoke of the kingdom of heaven as the center of life—carries within it an obligation to accept certain principles, if those principles that accompany faith—for example, the principle that the life of a slave, an animal, or a gentile is worth less than Sabbath observance; or the value of placing collectivity as affecting—and note, affecting, not determining exclusively—a person’s fate (a Jew is obligated in the commandments and remains a Jew without choice; an ordinary Amalekite or a member of the seven nations has a death sentence hanging over him in principle, even though according to most views he can in one way or another get around the matter); and on to other things, like the conception that a person should limit himself regarding certain natural desires, in a certain way, such as sexual relations, consumption of certain culture, control over drives and natural impulses, and so on—if the soul from the outset, even before the stage of clean inquiry, grows up under certain circumstances and adopts for itself an axiom that it can never be possible that there is such a crazy idea as an objective difference between the value of human life and that of animals, or the value of one human life versus another; or an axiom according to which it is impossible, utterly impossible, to control certain desires, out of a cultural deterministic conception that desires and impulses are an integral part of personality itself, and suppressing them is psychotic and masochistic—then a person usually will not free himself from these axioms if they are deeply ingrained in him. And even if intellectually he sees some sort of proof for God’s existence that seems plausible even to him, he will reject it on the grounds that: it can’t be that one would be commanded in such-and-such matter; it must be an allegory, or it shows that the text was written in ancient times; and even if it was theoretically given by God, today He surely doesn’t expect that of anyone.
Those tendencies have no object in themselves; rather, they are the basis for intellectual or intuitive discussion in these matters. Just as in the opposite direction, a person raised on fundamentalism and seeing it as an axiom will never be able to accept a claim that it is possible that some of God’s commandments change in specific content according to changes in reality, or the principle of tolerance that stems from uncertainty alongside the principle of faith.
Of course, a theoretical situation is possible in which a person says that he believes, yet he is against God’s own values. But that is an absurd and unbelievably stupid position. And apart from utterly wicked people (figures that don’t exist in our day, like Balaam, Esau, or Pharaoh), no sane person would hold it. Rather, as I wrote above, in an era of the hiding of the divine face like today, he will simply reject faith automatically on a cognitive level.
There is no connection between the author of the column, Rabbi Michael Abraham, and pantheism; nor between traditional people who believe in God and pantheism. They are not saying that they don’t worship someone external. Of course they worship someone external—or more precisely, they take upon themselves the value of accepting the yoke of His kingdom and observing the commandments that, according to tradition, are a divine command.
Rather, they base their faith on emotion and claim that it comes from feeling, from an inner sensation. In my opinion, this does not mean some kind of worship of a higher spiritual divine self.
Rational, I didn’t understand your long reply. In any case, the claim “I believe in object X” does not fit with the claim that the question of that X’s existence is meaningless (as skeptics tend to say). If X has no meaning, the necessary logical connection between belief and its content is broken. It is as if that person is saying nothing.
I made that remark because I think this is also part of their argument: that they believe through emotion and because of certain religious traits, because that is the initial foundation. Not necessarily that, in their view, there is no level above that. There is. But it comes following the first level I described.
Wittgenstein and Leibowitz mainly talked nonsense, though not only nonsense. There is a fascinating article by Gilad Bar-Eli (a respected scholar of analytic philosophy) that comes to defend Leibowitz’s philosophy while at the same time identifying—quite rightly in my view—the similarity between it and Wittgenstein’s thought in the context of the concepts of content, shell, and the relations between the two. The article naturally fails, I think, to achieve its goal, but it certainly helps bury Leibowitz’s philosophy (and along the way Wittgenstein’s as well) in the place where it belongs. I can of course explain, if necessary, but in short: both of them collapse in practice the distinction between shell and content, and therefore on their view it is impossible even to recognize the existence of a rational, meaningful intellectual sphere. Everything we do, according to their line of thought, is ultimately arbitrary (including, of course, their own arguments, moral action, religious action, etc.). There, I’ve vented my bitterness.
With God’s help, 2 Cheshvan 5783
It is clear that the ideal is for a person to serve God because God commanded it in His Torah, but from Maimonides’ statement that one who keeps the Noahide commandments “because of the dictate of reason is not one of the pious of the nations of the world, but one of their wise men,” it appears that there is a value to observing commandments because of the logic in them, a value of “one who is not commanded yet performs.” It seems to me that one should not dismiss the value of this kind of commandment observance altogether, but rather encourage it in the hope that it will lead to observance מתוך awareness of the command.
Wishing you an easy week, Oti’feron Nafshetim Halevi
A. We are talking about panentheism, not pantheism. The latter is heresy.
B. The reference is to the philosopher Noam Oren, about whom the column was written.
C. Panentheism does not speak of self-worship (ego), but only of recognizing the divinity that exists within us, that we are part of God, and thus it gives motivation for a high-quality life and a strong, stable faith. Google “Rabbi Yair Strauss.”
A. Everything is divinity. And of course there is what lies beyond what we see. In the laws of nature there is God. In me there is divinity, in you there is divinity. In what is hidden from us there is divinity.
B. About the external God—“Creator of the world”—I am not speaking. Just as a monotheist (one who believes that God is only external to reality) does not speak about the essence of the Creator. It is simply meaningless.
The following sentence (and I completely agree with it) was written by the owner of this blog:
“There is no need at all to define God or know Him.” .
I am speaking about the actions of the external God. Likewise, I am speaking about the fact that we are all part of the same divinity.
About the actions of that God, we both agree (probably); only I believe that I, you (and everything) are part of divinity.
This has enormous implications for a person’s inner processes and for his faith. Go to Rabbi Yair Strauss’s blog and read there.
The paragraph about the question of providence, the second and third points—I didn’t understand. Could you explain what exactly the difference is between you and the “analytic academics like Noam and his colleagues” in terms of the attitude toward prayer and the question of providence? In what way are you similar? (Neither of you believes in providence?) And in what way are you different?
And also, what exactly do you mean when you say “language game”?
I explained exactly that. If I reached the conclusion that there is no providence, then I do not believe in it and do not speak about it. They continue to speak about it as usual, but explain that this is speech in a different, subjective sense.
A language game is a Wittgensteinian term. You can look it up online. In short, it treats language as a kind of agreed-upon game that functions differently in different contexts.
For example, here: https://haraayonot.com/idea/language-games/
Thanks, but if I understood correctly, both they and you do not refrain completely from prayer. Even from prayer that is not only thanksgiving. The Amidah, for example. So even though you do not believe that the prayer can be answered, in the simple sense of the word, you can still explain to yourselves why you nevertheless say those words. Each in his own way, with or without using the word “providence,” whatever meaning it may have.
Isn’t that a language game?
Definitely not. If it were clear to me that there is no involvement whatsoever, I would not say those blessings.
There was just now a question on this matter:
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The rabbi keeps saying that there is no intrinsic value in religious feelings.
If the halakha in your religion requires you to pray, to love God, and to fear God (and clearly each of these commands requires such feelings in order to fulfill the command genuinely and not just “as if”), do those feelings not thereby become essential for that believer?
I have a feeling that neither of us understands what you wrote.
At the first stage you tell us that we are the divinity and everything is divinity. When I challenge you and ask whether there is something beyond that, you answer yes… meaning, you assume that one can nevertheless speak about it meaningfully and even claim that that transcendent God is the source of what exists within the world and in man. I assume that, as a believing Jew, you even think that that transcendent God created the world, gave us the Torah, revealed Himself on a number of occasions, etc. All those things that you were supposed to deny (but in practice did not deny…).
Strange, no?
Good news. I didn’t lose faith in prayer even when I thought you held that this was obvious. Now that you say it isn’t obvious, my joy in life has returned as well.
If you already noticed that I keep repeating this, then surely you also saw the explanations I gave for those commandments and for the meaning of the feelings in those contexts.
The fact that people make decisions autonomously and don’t rely on me is indeed gratifying. That is also my intention.
But I must clarify that my position is that there is probably no involvement, and it is fairly clear that there is no ongoing involvement. I cannot rule out sporadic involvement, and that is what allows me prayer. I would add that I have no certainty about anything, so the uncertainty here is not something unique to this issue.
As for joy in life, I am very happy even when I live under the assumption that plainly speaking there is no involvement. I don’t think that should cause a loss of joy in life. On the contrary, there is no joy like the resolution of doubts; if I discover that I lived mistakenly thinking that God is involved, and the truth is that He is not involved, that makes me very happy. Being in error, or remaining in error, is really not a source of joy for me.
And in general, “joy in life” is just an emotion, and our master has already taught us that it has no religious value whatsoever.
Regards, Mr. A. Fatty, Objectivus-Neutral (Hebrew acronym: MAPA"N 🙂
I’d be happy for a reference on this matter.
Everything is divinity—everything relevant in our lives—the revealed (me and you), and the hidden (reincarnation of souls). There is no point at all in talking about what lies beyond; it is meaningless. Again, it is like you talking with your cat about the upcoming elections. How is that conversation relevant to the cat?
The transcendent God created the world, and in the past He spoke to the people of Israel (once). That is something one can say about His action, not about His essence (the essence of the Creator).
As far as we are concerned, we relive the Exodus from Egypt and the revelation every day, but that is from the impressions (divinity) that remained within us, and we do not speak about His essence.
Did you go into Rabbi Yair Strauss’s website?
With God’s help, 2 Cheshvan, the first day of the return of supplication prayers
To Shlo"sh—greetings,
See column 22, where the site owner tries to explain that love, fear, and joy are not emotions. And your mnemonic is: “Let us rejoice and be glad in You” 🙂
Regards, Simcha Fish"l Halevi Plankton
To assume that there is no involvement whatsoever and still pray is an enormous difficulty. I did not assume zero involvement because I did not see that you were proving that.
In any case, to hear it explicitly, from your own mouth—you, who have studied so much—contains a certain resolving of doubts that restores joy in life.
Rabbi, when is the next column 🙂 ?
I’m surprised the rabbi devoted so many words to this matter, since it is his entire method from beginning to end.
It can only be understood as the rabbi polemicizing against the allegorist stream in RMDA, whose students explain his religious language as subjective.
With God’s help, eve of the holy Sabbath, “This is the sign of the covenant,” 5783
It should be added that recognition of the profound wisdom in the Torah, and the ability of its commandments to build a nation of people of faith and morality, full of humility and good traits, who love the Omnipresent and love His creatures—not only draws a person to cleave to that good path, it also constitutes an indication of the truth of the Torah and of its divine source. Just as the wisdom in nature testifies that it is a divine creation, so too the wisdom in the Torah testifies that it is a divine creation.
Regards, Hanoch Henach Feinshmaker-Polti
Well, I sniffed around online regarding Mr. Strauss, may he live long, and it turned out that in the holy chain of transmission he is subordinate to Mr. Kellner, may he live long, whom I had the privilege of knowing personally and reading his pearls of wisdom. Together, these two fellows are subordinate to Rabbi Kook, may he live long (who in certain circles is placed in the hierarchy far above YHWH). Broadly speaking, I don’t buy their panentheism. Never mind that it is wrapped in too much “splendor” and “radiance” and all sorts of words like that (I could still live with that); what is missing in it is self-honesty, common sense, and perhaps humility as well.
Returning to what you said here, expressions of yours like “everything is divinity” and the like confuse both you and the person you are debating. If your intention had been to say that there is some divine quality in this world and in the human being who lives in it, then I might perhaps agree with you. But it seems to me that you insist on being loyal to the Strausses, the Kellners, and the Kooks and to say both this and that… that is, nothing and nothing.
Specifically, the root of the problem is in the Kookian doctrine of perfection and perfecting-progress, in which—to put it briefly—it is impossible to separate “perfect” God from the world (and the human at its center) that is “being perfected,” and thus it turns out that there is no meaning at all in talking about “God.” For your poor God is stuck, willy-nilly and a priori, to us as we develop and “perfect ourselves.” Therefore, on your approach, not only can one not speak about His essence, but also not about His deeds, His “impressions,” or whatever else you want to call it. Everything becomes “His deeds,” with no remainder of initial “perfection” left to begin the movement from Genesis. And in even shorter form: this move is, in my opinion, denial of the absolute and the deification of man (especially the Kookian man).
With God’s help, eve of the holy Sabbath, “Noah was wholehearted in his generations,” 5783
It may be that the approach that gives significant weight to the subjective connection to faith is not meant to replace the objective intellectual inquiry, but rather to serve as a stable “safety net” for the intellectual inquiry.
The believer in God is convinced that it is not reasonable that the sophisticated world is the result of a chain of accidents, and the believer in the Torah is convinced that the testimony of millions of strong-minded people (“a stiff-necked people”) who experienced prophetic revelation at Mount Sinai is reliable testimony.
But since a person accustomed to scientific thinking, which aspires to inquiry at a decisive level that excludes every refutation and difficulty for a thesis, will always have some concern gnawing at his mind lest a refutation of his faith has been or will be found—such a person is given by the subjective connection to faith and to Torah a “safety net” that enables him to hold securely and stably to the path that seems to him most reasonable.
And by way of a witty turn of phrase, one might say that the essence of faith depends on “Shem” (name), on essential clarification, but “Japheth” as well—beauty and the sense of expansiveness—and also “Ham,” enthusiasm, help in calling in the name of the Lord.
Wishing you a peaceful Sabbath, Shem Soncino-Habarkai
Why is the discussion of what most believers think regarding the definition of faith interesting at all? It is an entirely semantic matter. The truly interesting question is which, among the range of definitions of faith, can count as religious faith rather than folklore etc.—with practical implications for counting toward a minyan, etc.
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…or a refutation will be found of the absolute certainty of the proofs for his faith…
Does it feel okay to you not to include traditionalists in a minyan? Here we have exposed a social mechanism that encourages belief, and not by way of philosophy: to ostracize and excommunicate.
If they are atheists, they do not count. That has nothing to do with ostracism. I have nothing against them, and this is not a sanction. They do not count because you need ten people who pray, or at least can pray. They are not such people.
By the way, in my opinion including them in a minyan is an insult to them, because it means I am not taking their declared position seriously.
I also do not expect them to include me in the Batsheva Dance Company as a dancer
This is not a sanction. I’m simply unsuitable and unable to do what they do there.
A kiss on the lips. Really. I thoroughly enjoyed the column.