Q&A: Trump and His Behavior Toward Zelensky
Trump and His Behavior Toward Zelensky
Question
I assume many people have heard about / followed / seen Trump’s boorish behavior toward Zelensky too, supposedly a Western and U.S. ally.
It looks like the man is kicking his friends.
Where will this lead the civilized world?
After all, he’s the president of the free world…
Answer
It’s well known that the man is unpredictable. But דווקא here his logic can actually be understood. His claim is that Ukraine cannot win, so there is no point in continuing the war and just killing and being killed for nothing. One has to recognize the facts, painful as that may be. That is more or less what people say to us regarding the Palestinians as well: you are right, but unfortunately full justice cannot be achieved, and they demand that we compromise. In our case it is even worse, because we have the power to win, whereas the Ukrainians do not.
Discussion on Answer
I didn’t express a position about the substance (whether Ukraine really has no chance). I explained Trump’s legitimate claim.
Your second argument reminds me of the absurd claims against Bibi, that he released 1,200 terrorists for Gilad Shalit and now refuses to release far fewer. You apparently assume that someone who made a mistake once — or five times — is obligated to repeat it again and again. Strange logic, I must say.
And finally, they don’t feel like sacrificing soldiers for Ukraine and against Putin. Why don’t we send the IDF? And likewise all the other countries in the world.
Do you think the American involvement in Korea was a mistake? Do you think it would have been better if all of Korea had become communist?
It really doesn’t matter what I think. What matters is what the Americans think.
I don’t really understand the discussion here. I’m proceeding from the assumption of what is right, not what Trump or any other clown on his team thinks.
Does Michi think Trump should continue sending money / ammunition to Ukraine?
If Michi were president of the United States, would you send troops to Ukraine in the current situation? (when the Russian army is broken)
I think about the matter from a different angle.
The U.S. is currently the superpower.
A central component of that is the policing and world order for which it is responsible and which it manages.
Now everyone sees how he behaves toward Zelensky, threatening Canada, pressuring and frightening Panama, eyeing Greenland, starting to part ways with NATO, and it seems that the conclusion every reasonable world leader draws is that America is not what it used to be.
Better to have other alliances.
From here on, the straightforward path is for NATO to grow stronger and forge alliances with others (China? India? Japan?) and rely less on America; that is also, supposedly, what Zelensky should do.
An awkward situation could arise in which Trump declares the conflict between Russia and Ukraine over, but on the ground it actually intensifies, because Ukraine will turn and rely on others rather than on America, so that the word of the president of the free world will become a joke and echo all over the globe: look, the superpower is beginning to decline from its greatness…
True, there were Assyria, Babylonia, the Ottomans, Austria-Hungary, the USSR — and they declined. Now it’s America’s turn to decline, and for other nations, or unions of nations, to rise as superpowers.
At the end of the day, cooperation, alliances, weapons, and American money are a central component of its mastery over the world.
When it betrays that, its friends seem sad, its enemies happy, and that drives the wheel of its descent from the stage of history.
So now say not “to make America great again,” but to return it to what it was some 300 years ago — just another human colony, but one lacking significance, meaning, and importance in the eyes of the world and in global leadership.
How do I, the undersigned, not see Trump’s thoughts?
S.D., if I were president of the U.S., I would have information and a point of view that I do not have today. You, apparently, can make decisions without information for every situation and for every person and country that don’t see things as you do. Unfortunately, my abilities are more limited, and forgive me.
Michi,
1. Do you define yourself as conservative (politically)?
2. Do you define yourself as right-wing?
3. In your opinion, should an educated person know another foreign language besides English?
Regards,
Rami
1-2. Labels are uninteresting and vague. If you have a specific question about a specific position, you can ask.
3. What does “should” mean? It’s an undefined question.
Boy Boy, you missed America’s power.
Without it, Europe collapses within months…
The U.S. sustains the global economy by itself. There is no real concern that Europe will decide the U.S. is not worth the partnership; that might perhaps happen with Egypt, or with us (and then we’d move closer to China), and even that is very, very unlikely.
In general, Trump is a complete idiot. But the “clash” with Zelensky is understandable on the macro level — like Michi’s explanation. And it’s also understandable on the micro level — what happened was this: Zelensky lacks basic diplomatic instincts. You do not come to the White House and start arguing at an official press conference with the president and vice president in front of the cameras. And if somehow by mistake you started an argument, climb down from the tree at the first opportunity. Shut up and take the rebuke. He was the first to break the rules, dropped the fake smiles, and sparred with the vice president in front of the cameras, in what was supposed to be a fake-smiles press conference. And when he realized it was being received as an insult (and rightly so), instead of backing down, he kept arguing until Trump told him, “You’ve talked enough.”
So that Trump won’t trigger you, imagine instead Bibi meeting with Obama at a press conference in the Oval Office. Obama says something we don’t like (as happened many times), and Bibi, instead of raising an eyebrow and staying silent, starts arguing with him in front of the cameras, interrupting him, doesn’t accept the rebuke the first time when it is still said in a statesmanlike way, and publicly dismisses Obama’s words (“You don’t know what it’s like in Israel, you’ve never been here,” like Zelensky stupidly threw at him)…. We wouldn’t be here today.
If the Russian army is recruiting prisoners (some of them actual murderers) and North Koreans, that means it has a serious manpower problem. I assume there’s no way to conquer all of Russia, but the territories Russia captured — why not?
Another question: if during the Cold War the United States sacrificed hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of soldiers (and dollars) for countries that also could not have won on their own anyway (Korea, Vietnam, and the list is much longer), then why not send troops to help Ukraine against a dictator who is trying to destroy the world?