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On the “Gag Law” at Universities (Column 658)

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On July 10, the Knesset passed in a preliminary reading the bill “Council for Higher Education [Amendment – Dismissal of Academic Staff for Incitement or Support for Terror and Budget Reduction, 5784–2024].” Alongside it, another bill is being advanced to shut down student groups that disseminate such statements.

A few days ago, at our university, the senior academic staff resolved to join the job actions undertaken by academic staffs at other universities against what were termed there the “Gag Law” and the “Intimidation Law.” These are bills intended to ensure that universities treat with severity statements by faculty members against the state and in favor of harming it and its citizens (the Gag Law) and to act against student groups expressing similar ideas (the Intimidation Law). These laws grant authority—and even require—university authorities and the Council for Higher Education to address problematic statements by lecturers and to deny budgets to those who do not do so.

The senior academic staff committees at all the universities view these laws as highly severe. The appeal sent to us was not to discuss whether the laws are proper, but what to do against them. As noted, already in the notice the laws are labeled with names laden with negative connotations. When I received the appeal, I was very torn about my position. In the end I concluded that I must oppose these laws (well, I’m a known leftist, and about me it was said: “Your destroyers and demolishers shall come out from you”), and I wanted to touch on this a bit here.

Positions in the debate

None of you will be surprised that this debate is saturated with “positions.” A glance at the sponsors of the bill shows where they sit politically. By contrast, university faculties are known to lean politically to the other side. Each side presents a tendentious picture and paints the other as wicked and fascist or treasonous. Some call to stop the continuation of the judicial reform and the destruction of democracy, while others call against them to stop treason and academic leftism, and cooperation with the enemy (in wartime). Slogans and emotions have led the debate, and it was rather difficult to find someone discussing the matter on its merits.

When, about a year ago, a similar proposal arose for job actions by the academic staff against the judicial reform, there was no debate at all about whether the reform was worthy or not, because for the initiators that was a given. The only question was whether there is justification to shut down an academic institution in protest. That too was obvious to them (just as the Histadrut shut down the economy on the same grounds). In that case I joined vigorous action against Bar-Ilan’s academic staff joining the strike, even though I opposed the reform and the way it was carried out. I didn’t think it was the business of the academic staff, and I didn’t see grounds for shutting down studies. It was clear to me that this was an overtly political move, and therefore—even though it was going in my direction—I opposed it. In the end, the universities did decide to strike, but Bar-Ilan did not join (even though within our staff there was a large majority in favor of striking, the bylaws require 70% to declare a strike, and they didn’t reach that).

Returning to our laws, needless to say, the Attorney General also opposes them, but in the eyes of the sides this too is received positionally. The protesters, of course, brandish her opposition as if it were the word of God, while the supporters portray her as leftist and adversarial to the government. Not only is everyone acting from a “position,” but each is certain that the other—and only the other—is acting from a “position.” I can tell you clearly, from my seat as Secretary-General of the UN, that in this case—as in almost all others—everyone is in the same boat.

Yet unlike the reform, regarding the recent laws I have heard here and there some substantive voices. There were a few people who clearly lean right (i.e., toward Bibi and Likud—I don’t mean “right” in any substantive sense), and even support the judicial reform, and nonetheless oppose these laws. The discussion here was a bit more balanced, though I did not hear of anyone who opposes the reform and supports these laws.

Here I wanted to offer a few remarks about these laws and the dispute over them, which have significance beyond this particular debate. My intention is to explain my position and try to do so in a measured way, to contribute something to the substance of the discourse and the arguments which, sadly, have long vanished from our public square. Pity.

The need for the laws and mitigating circumstances

I must preface by saying there are several considerations in favor of these laws. There is indeed a sense that academia exhibits problematic phenomena of supporting the enemy and expressing problematic positions—especially in wartime—that do not receive the appropriate response. At least not symmetrically relative to opposing positions. The wording of the laws themselves is, to my understanding, fairly moderate. They address the universities and then the Council for Higher Education to enforce them, not extra-academic bodies (the government, the police). They also condition these measures on decisions by legal bodies (within the university, within the Council for Higher Education, and external to it).

Therefore, the hysterical claims of an “hostile takeover” of academia, McCarthyism, gagging, harm to academic freedom and freedom of research, etc., are greatly exaggerated (just like the claims about the “collapse of democracy” because of the judicial reform). But the fact that someone exaggerates doesn’t mean they are wrong—it only means they are not wise (fulfilling the inverse of the saying: on the road, don’t be right—be smart).

Starting point: Freedom of expression

Despite all of the above, I oppose these laws. As a starting point, I attach great value to freedom of expression, including the freedom to express the most extreme positions (see Columns 6, 165, and more; I also oppose banning Holocaust denial). Censorship is the mother of all sin—both in itself and because you never know who will wield it and how. If every governing side decides on censorship according to its positions, we won’t get far. But those are only the dangers. In my eyes, this freedom has value in itself, not only out of fear of excessive use of such authority. If someone wants to argue there was no Holocaust, he should be allowed to, and every listener can decide whether he is right or not. I am not willing for the Minister of Education, the Knesset, or the government to decide history for me and what I must think. I am not willing to be presented with partial, tendentious information filtered by the authorities. A mature, intelligent person must be the sole party responsible for their opinions and actions, and certainly must be given the ability to form a position independently from the full range of arguments and information. The only limitation on freedom of expression is where the words present a tangible danger of harm or damage to a person or the public. In such a case, the law permits sanctions against the speaker and denies his freedom to do so.

From this it follows that, if a faculty member’s words pose a tangible risk of concrete harm, the matter can be referred to the police. There is no need for a special law, and certainly not to deploy the university as the arm of the law. But if, for example, he expresses the position that there was no massacre on October 7, or that Hamas is an altruistic charity and the State of Israel is committing genocide against it—he has the right to say that. The listeners will decide whether he is right or not. I do not see in such statements a tangible danger to anyone’s safety. The only danger they pose is to the welfare of truth—but I fear she has long been absent from our public discourse. Moreover, gagging like this buries the truth even more and hands it over to political commissars. To bury the truth, there is no need for such extreme statements—reading the newspapers is enough. Is anyone proposing to censor positions in the newspapers? Would we want the government to decide what we read or hear and which arguments or positions may enter the debate?

Just as I would not want political factions that did not win the election to use governmental systems to advance their values, I would not want factions that did win to use legislation to gag criticism from various opposition actors, annoying as they may be.

Legislating a special law dealing with universities is problematic for several reasons. It portrays them as problematic institutions that do not obey the law (no law was legislated for any other type of worker). It also deploys the university as a governmental instrument, which is not its role, and inserts it into unnecessary tensions with its members. It also tries to influence the types of people and the content of ideas expressed there. It also broadens the limitations on freedom of expression specifically for universities, which is absurd, since there that freedom is even more important. Not by chance do the most extreme statements often appear in academia: its role is to present different positions and spark debate. This freedom can yield extreme and irritating positions (see Column 654 on the nonsense that only intellectuals can produce), but that is the price of freedom. I would not want us to lack freedom. And even if someone feels their freedom is being denied and that the other side is behaving unfairly (for everyone’s information, both political sides among us feel so and are entirely certain of it), the way to balance this is not to act violently and unfairly in the opposite direction. That only escalates matters and we all suffer. In that way, we indeed reach a real threat to our democracy.

Debate behind and in front of the veil of ignorance

In Column 375 I argued that laws and rules of the game should be set behind the veil of ignorance. The claim is that it is improper to set rules by looking at their outcomes in favor of one side or another. The rules must be fair and judged by their fairness, not by whether they benefit this or that side. That, of course, does not exist in our public and political system. In Column 548 I argued that in Israel the rules of the game are constantly changed according to which side benefits, and I showed there the great harm caused to all of us by this.

In Columns 517 and 581 (see also my discussion with Tirgitz here and also here) I argued that it is possible to set agreed-upon rules of the game in a society where there is mutual trust between the sides. Everyone knows that activity will proceed properly and within the rules. But if there is mutual suspicion, and each side suspects the other will act improperly, then it will try to change the rules in its favor. In such a situation, the rules are set by the strong to their own advantage, not behind the veil of ignorance as they should be. For example, when there is a government or a judicial system that acts forcefully, disregards basic fairness, and tramples all rules “off the diving board,” it is very hard to speak about objective considerations regarding how we should construct the relations between the executive and the judiciary. The feeling is that there must be a force to balance the government of horrors / that judicial system—even if, behind the veil of ignorance, it would indeed be possible and appropriate to structure the checks and balances differently. That is why examples from various countries offered as precedents for proper structures and balances always make me smile. That may be true for an academic discussion among reasonable and fair players. Here each bends the rules to his advantage and, of course, blames only the other side for bending the rules and behaving unreasonably and unfairly. When there is no trust and each side acts forcefully, veil-of-ignorance considerations are meaningless.

In our context too, if we had a reasonable government—if level-headed, wise, and integrous figures were acting rationally—we could speak of the proper balances between government and academia, and then perhaps I would say these laws are not so awful. Behind the veil of ignorance, these laws are not as draconian as they are portrayed. But given the dramatis personae among us, the situation is entirely different. I would very much not want Karhi or Miri Regev, Deri, Gafni, Avi Maoz, or any other member of the colorful and limited menagerie that staffs our coalition to determine who is a traitor, what constitutes incitement, and who should be fired without benefits. These are not figures one can ignore and proceed “behind the veil of ignorance.” Because of these figures (and those facing them—see below), in our case the debate is conducted in front of the veil, not behind it as it ought to be.

Two examples

Fortunately, we can examine concrete examples of statements (see for example here) that the police—under the inspiration of those eminent figures—decided constitute incitement and require investigation and perhaps indictment, and which, in the coalition’s view, also require immediate dismissal. From this you can infer what awaits us all if we give them this power.

Take as an example the remarks of Prof. Anat Matar (Philosophy, Tel Aviv University), who eulogized the “noble” character of the terrorist Walid Daqqa. Beyond the factual question—I don’t know whether he recanted his deeds (there were such claims)—I do not understand why these infuriating words are incitement. Is there any tangible danger expected to anyone as a result of these words? Yes, we are dealing with a far-left academic with bizarre and very unintelligent views. I have known that for a long time. But she still has the right to say whatever she wants about whomever she wants. Those who disagree should likewise express their opinions and present their arguments. Stupidity is not yet a criminal offense, and I would not want it to be (or should I?…).

Or look at the case of Prof. Nadera Shalhoub-Kevorkian (Law, Hebrew University), who accused Israel of genocide, denied the October 7 massacre, and said this is the time to abolish Zionism. Which of these pearls qualifies as incitement? What danger is expected to anyone as a result of her words? Do you really think some Arab will carry out an attack because of what she said? Are we lacking inciters at home and abroad who openly call for attacks and even fund them? Does anyone seriously want to claim that a tangible danger was created here?

There are parties that enter the Knesset time after time even though their platforms are in direct contradiction to the law (which forbids anti-Zionist and racist parties from entering the Knesset). In that law there is a certain logic (though I still think it is not right and not reasonable), since the Knesset is a body that grants its members the power to act. I can understand those who do not want to give power to people with such views, because then there will be practical consequences. But the expression of opinions of any kind, so long as no practical consequences are expected, cannot be forbidden in a reasonable regime.

In my view, in all these cases and similar ones, the public—and worse, the enforcement authorities—acted out of a rare and “Kevorkian” (cf. Kurt Vonnegut) arousal of passions. People took, or at least demanded, steps against the speakers simply because the words enraged them, especially against the backdrop of the October 7 massacre and the current war. This is something that should not be done.

Critique by the Israel Democracy Institute

In the document here you can read a detailed critique of the bills. Among other things, they write the following:

Already at the level of purpose, the proposal fails badly. The proposal does not specify the cases in which faculty and teachers in institutions of higher education expressed support and identification with acts of terror. The experience of the past year teaches that what is in the political crosshairs are statements meant to criticize the government or statements that deviate from the consensus. This itself shows that we are not dealing with a real fight against terror but a foolish attempt to infringe freedom of expression with respect to infuriating and even repulsive statements, which have no real connection to the fight against terror or to some other vital social interest. These are precisely the statements that the right to freedom of expression is meant to protect. This is a move intended to create a chilling effect, to deter from voicing statements that deviate from and challenge the consensus—that is, to suppress political free speech at its most sensitive point and thereby undermine a necessary condition for the existence and functioning of democracy.

The clear flaw of the proposal is that it does not answer a real social need, despite pretending to do so. It slanders academics and their institutions without a factual basis. It is a smear of higher-education institutions and a distortion of reality. Its real aim is gagging and political persecution, and it inflicts serious harm on Israeli democracy. Without full political freedom of expression, the election process loses its value and meaning, and democracy does not exist even in its thinnest procedural sense. The proposal promotes a particularistic political conception, since we may assume there is no intention to apply it to a faculty member who might incite to commit genocide or war crimes.

There is no dispute that the fight against terror—against terror organizations, their members, and those who express identification with them and with terror acts—is a paramount struggle that deserves the full allocation of required resources. The Counter-Terrorism Law, 2016, already provides all the authorities and tools for this struggle. However, that law applies to the general population and to all institutions and individuals within it, as is proper. It anchors authorities and tools—mainly in the realm of criminal law—and places them in the hands of those authorized and expert in the field. There is no need for additional arrangements to ensure proper conduct in matters of security and preventing terror.

Well said.

Employing workers who harm the state

One might also raise a claim unrelated to questions of incitement and free speech: that it is improper for the State of Israel to pay salaries to those who harm it and do not identify with its existence. I oppose this claim too. It is improper to evaluate state employees—and certainly not university lecturers—on the basis of their opinions. They should be judged by their academic achievements. If they undertake actions that truly harm the state (such as calling for BDS boycotts and the like), beyond mere statements, then in extreme cases there may be room for action. At least where clear falsehoods are involved and not merely the expression of opinions. I believe there are rules about this in the civil service regulations and the codes of conduct for various kinds of state employees (for some reason, such rules are not applied to rabbis, for example). But even if so, there is no need for a separate, special law for academia.

Would the angry right-wingers want academics to be unable to express support for preserving the Sabbath or opposition to LGBT? Under a different coalition, that too could happen (and perhaps, sadly, will) quite easily.

A note on reciprocity

From what I’ve written here, one might get the impression that the problem lies only on one side of the political map. Not so. My topic here is the laws concerning academia, hence the focus. But the phenomenon is general and appears on both sides of the political divide.

Silencing from the left is very common, though usually not by law—if only because the left has not been in power for a long time, and the law is not in its hands. Statements against LGBT, or chauvinistic statements, are simply gagged or encounter disproportionate, self-righteous rage and wild delegitimization. Any attempt to separate men and women (by Jews only, of course) is “exclusion” that is banned by legal authorities. Every act or statement by Smotrich or Ben Gvir is “bizarre” and “messianic,” which naturally prompts them to behave even more outrageously. In places where “left” (that is, liberal) forces have authority and power (as noted, they have not been in government for quite some time), one can also see the actual use of power: in the press; continuing with the Medical Association (see the case of Dr. Sudi Namir, in Columns 86 and 225); in the judicial system; and more.

This picture has another implication. Since the phenomena exist on both sides of the divide, they also trigger one another. My sense is that deviations from proper conduct are usually accompanied by counter-deviations from the other side. Thus, for example, the judicial reform was born from problematic conduct by the judicial system, which consistently refuses to accept limits, oversight, and restraints. That conduct begot the coalition’s deviation with its reform to the other extreme. The same mutuality appears regarding academia. There is a clear sense of persecution and lack of advancement for academics who express right-wing or conservative positions, and this provokes counter-persecution from the right. There is a sense that academia deals more harshly with those who express positions that deviate toward the conservative direction than with their “liberal” (or pro-Palestinian) counterparts. I already gave the example of Ben Gvir and Smotrich above.

In our politics, each side uses the power it has against the other forces. Thus the left uses the judicial system and the press against the government, and likewise the right uses the government against academia. This is a game that keeps escalating, and since no side can stop it alone and be a “sucker,” we are stuck. Halting this dangerous process and returning to setting reasonable rules of the game behind a veil of ignorance can only be done by agreement between both sides. Sadly, I don’t see how that can happen. We are stuck in a game of chicken with no exit (see, for example, Column 287).

At least one thing calms me: I am confident that the discussion and the talkbacks that will follow this column will surely be balanced, substantive, and free of “positions.”

Discussion

Katluhu (2024-07-22)

Hello Rabbi,

I agree with you 100%; there is no side here that is “innocent.” Extremism—and as is known from various systems, when the presumption of “extremism” is positive—eventually reaches a threshold at which an explosion will occur.

I wanted to ask you, as an academic, who despite all the jokes is indeed rooted in the Right, and not in quotation marks—that is, not Bibi’s Right and not the right-wing camp, but in the idea, if it can be classified that way—

I wanted to ask whether you have identified people on the Left in academia who recognize the problem?

If so, is it possible to create a unified body that does recognize the disagreement but still wants to play together?

boazhalle (2024-07-22)

In my opinion, you ignored a consideration in favor of the law. The public harm of statements need not be a concrete danger but something more amorphous that affects world public opinion. No single statement is dangerous, but cumulatively they can have consequences even more severe than a single terror attack, such as an embargo. This is not a pursuit of historical truth; it is a kind of security consideration.
Also, in my opinion, the justification is the international arena, where the idyll of a free marketplace of ideas does not exist, and we are behind to Israel’s detriment. We are forced to use such tools so as not to lose on that front.
As for the question of whether it applies only to universities: if that seems discriminatory, then by all means the law can be extended to additional sectors or even to the public in general. But it seems to me there is more justification for “going after” lecturers specifically, not because the state pays their salary, but because they in some sense represent the state and use a status the state gave them—so it is both more harmful and there is more justification for supervising them.

To sum up: (2024-07-22)

Your view is completely identical to the position of the Israel Democracy Institute, but unlike them, your opinion is without any agenda.

Avi (2024-07-22)

I agree with you that there is no place for any further restriction on freedom of speech, not even for state employees. And yet, academics (or teachers) are not in the same position as economists or engineers in the civil service. The former are paid to speak before people who are required to listen to them, and that right should not be exploited for preaching. A situation has arisen in which, in certain departments, students cannot utter right-wing views, and sometimes cannot even show up in uniform. This is intolerable morally, and it also harms academia.

Bottom line: we need to find a solution that allows lecturers to say whatever they want on Facebook, but to keep their mouths tightly shut when they pass through the university gates. I don’t know whether that’s possible, but if not, we have a problem.

And one more thing: the sentence “These are not the kinds of figures one can ignore and act behind a veil of ignorance” is strange. To say that before deciding whether to lower the veil of ignorance one must examine the actors involved is itself a disregard for the principle of the veil of ignorance.

mikyab123 (2024-07-22)

There are such people, but I don’t see a way to create such a body.

mikyab123 (2024-07-22)

Freedom of opinion exists in the world too, but we are at a numerical disadvantage (there are over a billion Muslims, plus some progressives). Would you want them to restrict the freedom of the majority opinion in Israel? Beyond that, I think that worldwide there is no majority against us. The minority that is against us is simply louder.
I don’t think a statement by such a woman changes anything in the world. And even if it does – that still isn’t sufficient reason to forbid it. That is what she thinks.

mikyab123 (2024-07-22)

Both a reading-comprehension problem and a logic problem in one sentence? Quite an impressive achievement. Reading comprehension: where did you see that I accused them of having an agenda? And logic: the phenomenon you described is not absurd either.

mikyab123 (2024-07-22)

If there is discrimination at the university on such a basis, it should be dealt with severely. But what does that have to do with freedom of expression? I wasn’t talking about preaching in class, but about their public statements.
I didn’t understand your final remark. Indeed, I explicitly wrote that only when people have integrity can one use the veil of ignorance. When they do not – there is no justification or point to it. I do indeed disregard it in such situations.

For thought (2024-07-22)

Compare the excellent, concise, and direct criticism of the Israel Democracy Institute with your column, which is full of accusations that everrryone has an agenda—implying that you alone do not. I have to say this keeps recurring in your various columns. The focus on intentions and opinions and the inclinations of the whole world as an ad hominem takes up an enormous share of the content.

mikyab123 (2024-07-23)

Their “concise” critique is much longer than mine. It is patently obvious that your “excellent” and concise critique of my remarks is based on the fact that you did not bother to read what I wrote, even after I pointed that out to you. And apparently those same marvelous logical and interpretive abilities I pointed to above are also taking part here. You wrote that my column is full of accusations about agenda, and it is clear that you still haven’t bothered to read the column. For the issue of agenda plays a minuscule part in the column, and beyond that I did not accuse everyone there of having an agenda. But aside from that, every word you wrote is rock solid.
Truly thought-provoking stubbornness.

Sigal (2024-07-23)

I wouldn’t want them to restrict the majority opinion, but in practice that is what the State Attorney’s Office will do. See, for example, “Torat HaMelekh.” So at least let us ensure that enforcement is equal on both sides (although with the current State Attorney’s Office, even that won’t happen).

I came and paid to study (2024-07-23)

Thank you for the column

In my humble opinion, your honor is right and there is no place for this law
On the other hand, they absolutely have to put things in order in the colleges (and perhaps also in the universities)

I finished a master’s degree at some college. The lecturer was some guy with a bald head and a knitted kippah. The level of the course was literally second grade in elementary school (absurd—where is the Council for Higher Education?).
Unbelievable how much someone can come and teach absolutely nothing, squared, and call it a course…
I paid for academic studies and got substandard material.
To fill the time, the lecturer sat there voicing political opinions from the Eli-Yitzhar area—speeches—and mocking anyone who thought otherwise, even a few hours before the polling stations opened…
I remarked to him that this was inappropriate and that I was paying in order to study; he couldn’t care less and of course knew there was no one to complain to and that nothing would be done to him. Most of the students were pleased, maybe because they hadn’t paid out of pocket for the “studies,” maybe because they came to get a certificate and a promotion and not in order to learn…
Bottom line, they took money from me under false pretenses to provide education, and I got mandatory attendance at classes that were speeches from a children’s punctuated Shabbat pamphlet…
These are the problems that need to be solved.
Does the Rabbi have any advice on what to do about this lowly state of affairs?

mikyab123 (2024-07-23)

You are talking about two different problems, though there is some connection between them: lack of quality, and wasting time.
As for the lack of quality, there are fields in academia that are at kindergarten level. This is well known and widely recognized. Sometimes the university wants to make money and defines some silly track as a master’s degree in the science of nonsense (usually something from the practical realm that there is no need to study academically, but they want to give it prestige and make money—such as public administration, organizational consulting, and the like). Sometimes entire fields are prone to producing garbage, even if perhaps at times they contain something of value (futurology, gender studies, home economics, and the like). There are also major fields that perhaps do make sense to study academically, and yet the studies are still not at a very high level—things that could also be done in high school: political science, international relations, etc. And sometimes it is simply a relatively easy field, such as law. There are very few fields in academia that require serious intellectual effort from the student.
As for wasting time and injecting politics, all one can do is complain. And if it is not handled, escalate it to the Council for Higher Education and perhaps also take it to the press and online media.
The connection is that in a field with no real level, it is easier to waste time. Not for nothing do most complaints about politicization appear in the “social sciences” and humanities, and much less in mathematics and physics.

valiantly2155cea551 (2024-07-23)

Thank you for your balanced and nuanced remarks, as usual.
You wrote regarding Kabourkian’s remarks:
“ What danger is expected to anyone as a result of her words? Do you really think some Arab will carry out a terror attack because of what she said?”
It seems one could say that about someone who calls for an intifada as well.
Can there be statements that, on the one hand, are not included under the “Counter-Terrorism Law,” and on the other hand cannot be met with your argument that they won’t influence anyone?

mikyab123 (2024-07-23)

Of course there are such statements. A person with concrete influence who calls on people to carry out an attack. A general call to carry out an attack—perhaps even if he has no concrete influence. Whether this falls under the Counter-Terrorism Law or not doesn’t matter. If it does, then excellent. That is enough.

There’s no great novelty (2024-07-23)

With God’s help, 17 Tammuz 5784

On the face of it, in the proposal to prohibit support for terrorism in universities – there is no great novelty, since support for terrorism is prohibited everywhere. The novelty lies only in obligating the universities to enforce within them what is prohibited everywhere.

Regards, Fish”L

Concern about student cells (2024-07-24)

There is a unique problem in universities, where student cells can organize and behave violently toward lecturers or other students, and there is no small concern that pro-terror statements by lecturers will inflame the violence, physical or verbal, of those influenced by them, and God forbid bring about a situation in which the “silent majority” feels threatened. Therefore, there is a need for university heads to keep an eye out to prevent such phenomena.

Regards, Fish”L

Correction (2024-07-24)

In line 3
… to a situation in which the “silent majority”…

Katluhu (2024-07-24)

What? There’s an a fortiori here:
If you managed to create alliances between religious Zionists and Haredim from across the political spectrum in order to create a “third identity” (more accurately, to gather the people of the third identity into some kind of home), then surely it is possible to unite a group of academics who are sick of the extremism on both sides of the divide within academia itself.

The enforcement question (2024-07-24)

On the one hand, there is an advantage to enforcement under the new law, which allows administrative enforcement proceedings that are simpler and quicker than judicial enforcement.

On the other hand, there is reason to fear a “boomerang” – they could disqualify a halakhic lesson on harming “non-combatants” in wartime, while approving (as per the prosecution’s decision this week) the call: “With blood and fire we will redeem Palestine.” So what have we gained? This requires further study.

Regards, Fish”L

Moshe (2024-07-25)

I think the main issue is in comparison to the far right: there is no difference between “genocide in Gaza” and “the Arabs are a murderous nation.” I don’t know what your views are on the far right; the question only comes from the direction of whether it is possible to create a law that allows full freedom of expression, and if so, why there was a need for a special law regarding academia.
And why not an article also about the far right?

mikyab123 (2024-07-25)

I didn’t understand a single word

Dan (2024-07-25)

They did it without any law, if you remember the story with “Torat HaMelekh”

Between criminal and administrative proceedings (2024-07-25)

With God’s help, 18 Tammuz 5784

To Dan—greetings,

“Torat HaMelekh” can be a good example of the greater power of an administrative process.

In “Torat HaMelekh” there were investigations and arrests, but in the end the High Court justices ruled that there was no place for criminal proceedings, since the book does not depart from the category of “halakhic inquiry,” and indeed it explicitly states that it is not “practical halakhah.”

However, it is possible that a decision by a university administration to prohibit classes on “Torat HaMelekh” and the like – would nevertheless have been approved by the High Court as “within the bounds of reasonableness.”

An administrative decision requires much less powerful evidence than a criminal proceeding, in which “proof beyond any reasonable doubt” is required.

Regards, Fish”L

Eli (2024-07-28)

I think the end of his remarks can indeed be understood… really, why not an article about the far right as well?
And it seems that Moshe is discussing selective enforcement; perhaps that too is related to the dialogue about gag laws.

Moshe (2024-07-31)

A. If someone speaks sensible words, they should be accepted, or at least discussed seriously, whether he speaks from an agenda or not; and likewise, if someone speaks nonsense, his words should not be accepted even if he is not speaking from an agenda. – The whole issue of “people speaking from an agenda” is a very unimportant issue.
B. During the pogrom period, let us suppose we catch a specific person who said, “Jews use the blood of Christian children for matzah on Passover” – would your argument also apply to him, that “What danger is expected to anyone as a result of his words? Do you really think some Christian will carry out a pogrom because of what he said? Are there not enough inciters from within and without…”?
Obviously the words of one person are insignificant, but when they are part of more and more similar statements, they are part of incitement.

mikyab123 (2024-07-31)

Obviously. Agenda is not an argument. The problem with an agenda is that it causes people to make poor arguments.

L (2024-12-10)

In Nazi Germany there was no silencing, and slowly but surely many places in the world became incited enough to think Jews were not human beings and that it was possible to take away their rights and in the end send them to gas chambers, so yes, censorship is important. The speech rights of the kind they want were welcomed in the places they defend, but they do not have the courage to live there.

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